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Meeting the criteria for promotion is not an obligation to promote, and as you have seen it the criteria isn't always comprehensive. Maybe you are just leaving

Meeting the criteria for promotion is not an obligation to promote, and as you have seen it the criteria isn't always comprehensive. Maybe you are just leaving some details out, but many places have multiple candidates for promotion competing for a finite number of spots. Often, recommendations and sponsors are needed, and you need to cultivate those relationships. You have to get along well with your peers to get things done, it isn't unreasonable. I've been involved in the process elsewhere and just trying to give constructive feedback, since it's frustrating you. Can you elaborate at all on the type of promotion? If not, I can appreciate the need for venting.

sthatipamala 4y ago
At big companies, leveling is sold as an objective/descriptive measure of one's skills. An engineer is at level L if and only if they meet the expectations at L. If you aren't at that level, it must be because you lack certain skills from the rubric. What you are saying is true but it contradicts that model. It acknowledges that leveling has extrinsic criteria such as finite number of spots.
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  Is it Goldman Sachs where everyone is a VP? At some point titles are meaningless. Leveling rubrics are to prevent mutiny and by definition amorphous. "Works effectively with others to deliver outcomes that... Earned the respect of peers who..."
  - bostik 4y ago
    Yes, but that's not limited to GS. As I understand it, the title inflation is an unintended consequence of regulations, tech, and cross-company contracts. Workers are considered cogs in the machine, and only "sufficiently senior" employees are allowed to make any individual decisions at all. As a result, anyone who works with code and is required to actually solve any problems at all must be either "senior[tm]" or have one explicitly authorise every piece of work they actually do. For finance regulators and ivory tower governance people, agency is a terrible thing to allow for a drone. Meaning? If you are in a role that requires to make choices and implementation decisions that affect production or path to production, you must be sufficiently senior. Ergo, a VP or above. It's not just the regulations either - the contracts finance industry negotiates with each other also try to impose the same demands onto the other parties.[ß] ß: I get to review these contracts at work. Some of the proposed clauses would require every possible change to be pre-approved by the most senior management.

sthatipamala 4y ago

At big companies, leveling is sold as an objective/descriptive measure of one's skills. An engineer is at level L if and only if they meet the expectations at L. If you aren't at that level, it must be because you lack certain skills from the rubric. What you are saying is true but it contradicts that model. It acknowledges that leveling has extrinsic criteria such as finite number of spots.

theGnuMe 4y ago
Is it Goldman Sachs where everyone is a VP? At some point titles are meaningless. Leveling rubrics are to prevent mutiny and by definition amorphous. "Works effectively with others to deliver outcomes that... Earned the respect of peers who..."
- bostik 4y ago
  Yes, but that's not limited to GS. As I understand it, the title inflation is an unintended consequence of regulations, tech, and cross-company contracts. Workers are considered cogs in the machine, and only "sufficiently senior" employees are allowed to make any individual decisions at all. As a result, anyone who works with code and is required to actually solve any problems at all must be either "senior[tm]" or have one explicitly authorise every piece of work they actually do. For finance regulators and ivory tower governance people, agency is a terrible thing to allow for a drone. Meaning? If you are in a role that requires to make choices and implementation decisions that affect production or path to production, you must be sufficiently senior. Ergo, a VP or above. It's not just the regulations either - the contracts finance industry negotiates with each other also try to impose the same demands onto the other parties.[ß] ß: I get to review these contracts at work. Some of the proposed clauses would require every possible change to be pre-approved by the most senior management.