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Blinding an interviewer by changing pitch/modulating the voice does little to erase the actual disadvantage. Few are arguing "people that sound like women are d

Blinding an interviewer by changing pitch/modulating the voice does little to erase the actual disadvantage. Few are arguing "people that sound like women are discriminated against", they're saying that the systems are set up in such a way that there is a bias against women that encompasses the evaluation of their experience, their work profiles, the topics they're interested in, the projects they've completed previously, etc. It's a systemic disadvantage, and that experiment isn't getting at the issue being claimed. As just one example, women still do the majority of child rearing, especially babies. People who want children make that choice, but men typically take a few weeks out of their career whereas women take months or more. That's a systemic disadvantage women suffer.

Manuel_D 4y ago
> there is a bias against women that encompasses the evaluation of their experience, their work profiles, the topics they're interested in, the projects they've completed previously, etc. Actually, studies specifically aimed at measuring tech jobs indicate preferences favoring women candidates: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 People frequently compare the rates of women in tech relative to the general population, not the pool of tech workers. This is misleading, when in fact most companies are quite balanced in terms of gender representation - relative to the representation of women in the field. 80% of nurses being women isn't a sign of men being disadvantaged any more than 80% of coders being men. working link for the paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484
- sascha_sl 4y ago
  Silicon Valley is hardly representative of tech as a whole.
coryrc 4y ago
> That's a systemic disadvantage women suffer. That's, perhaps, a systemic disadvantage mothers suffer. Tilting the tables advantages childless women most of all (and would be illegal discrimination against men, were the law to be enforced). Similar to how Ivies' affirmative action helps the children of African despots more than disadvantaged Americans.

Manuel_D 4y ago

> there is a bias against women that encompasses the evaluation of their experience, their work profiles, the topics they're interested in, the projects they've completed previously, etc. Actually, studies specifically aimed at measuring tech jobs indicate preferences favoring women candidates: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25069644 People frequently compare the rates of women in tech relative to the general population, not the pool of tech workers. This is misleading, when in fact most companies are quite balanced in terms of gender representation - relative to the representation of women in the field. 80% of nurses being women isn't a sign of men being disadvantaged any more than 80% of coders being men. working link for the paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3672484

sascha_sl 4y ago
Silicon Valley is hardly representative of tech as a whole.

coryrc 4y ago

> That's a systemic disadvantage women suffer. That's, perhaps, a systemic disadvantage mothers suffer. Tilting the tables advantages childless women most of all (and would be illegal discrimination against men, were the law to be enforced). Similar to how Ivies' affirmative action helps the children of African despots more than disadvantaged Americans.