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Go out and fish it’s one of my favorite hobbies, kayak fishing specifically. I prefer to eat saltwater fish except trout. Both my wife and my families have beac

by wil421 4y ago

Go out and fish it’s one of my favorite hobbies, kayak fishing specifically. I prefer to eat saltwater fish except trout. Both my wife and my families have beach places but I’m still limited to 6 or so trips a year. It’s hard to tell but you could research the types of fish plus the methods it’s caught. Lots of fish need to be bled out so they are incapacitated before bleeding. You can kill a fish instantly by a brain spike (ikejime) or bash to the head with a blunt object. As you said some fish are just thrown on ice but it can depend on the species. Even worse, methods are going to vary wildly from fishermen to fishermen and region to region. Wild caught is probably better than farm raised death wise.

tablarasa 4y ago
"Wild caught is probably better than farm raised death wise." I would be curious to hear your reasoning or evidence for this. From what I know, the ability to control conditions and processes is much easier in the farm context.
- wil421 4y ago
  Have you seen the inside of a chicken factory? I’d imagine it’s a similar operation for salmon or tilapia farming. Here’s a link.[1] I’d rather have a person doing the work. [1] https://youtu.be/FFYti5PHxE8 https://youtu.be/FFYti5PHxE8
  - tablarasa 4y ago
    Interesting video, but it doesn't show slaughter at all, just impressive machinery for quickly processing massive amounts of fish. I disagree that having a person rather than a machine process food products is related to the ethics of animal consumption, but I tend to think about this stuff in terms of how do you continue to feed 9B people, around 3B of whom rely on seafood for their primary protein source. I consider it a great privilege to buy bespoke premium products that cater to my perceptions of the world, but it doesn't really solve the problems around mass producing enough healthy food to sustainably feed the world population. Having a human handle all of those dead fish and turn them into marketable products would drive their price up so much that it would push people to protein sources that are much more carbon-, water-, and nutrient-intensive. Making the processing humane is super important, but it needs to be rational and efficient.
jrootabega 4y ago
Maybe some day. I'm thinking more of the person who wants to keep canned tuna on hand for easy animal protein. I also agree that our perception of farm conditions for fish is probably not as accurate as for other animals.

by wil421 4y ago

tablarasa 4y ago

"Wild caught is probably better than farm raised death wise." I would be curious to hear your reasoning or evidence for this. From what I know, the ability to control conditions and processes is much easier in the farm context.

wil421 4y ago
Have you seen the inside of a chicken factory? I’d imagine it’s a similar operation for salmon or tilapia farming. Here’s a link.[1] I’d rather have a person doing the work. [1] https://youtu.be/FFYti5PHxE8 https://youtu.be/FFYti5PHxE8
- tablarasa 4y ago
  Interesting video, but it doesn't show slaughter at all, just impressive machinery for quickly processing massive amounts of fish. I disagree that having a person rather than a machine process food products is related to the ethics of animal consumption, but I tend to think about this stuff in terms of how do you continue to feed 9B people, around 3B of whom rely on seafood for their primary protein source. I consider it a great privilege to buy bespoke premium products that cater to my perceptions of the world, but it doesn't really solve the problems around mass producing enough healthy food to sustainably feed the world population. Having a human handle all of those dead fish and turn them into marketable products would drive their price up so much that it would push people to protein sources that are much more carbon-, water-, and nutrient-intensive. Making the processing humane is super important, but it needs to be rational and efficient.

jrootabega 4y ago

Maybe some day. I'm thinking more of the person who wants to keep canned tuna on hand for easy animal protein. I also agree that our perception of farm conditions for fish is probably not as accurate as for other animals.