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I find "throttling" or "shadow banning" to be far more objectionable than simply banning / removing comments. At least if my post is deleted I can tell. But wh

I find "throttling" or "shadow banning" to be far more objectionable than simply banning / removing comments. At least if my post is deleted I can tell. But when companies artificially limit the reach of content they do not like, you might never know. Facebook openly admits to doing this. They are playing god by curating which information is worthy / unworthy of being seen, as well as presenting a warped view of reality to their users.

caconym_ 4y ago
I'm not talking about deleted comments, I'm talking about shadow deleted comments. The only way (without external tools, I guess) to know it's happened to you is to notice a suspicious lack of engagement with something you posted, then visit the same thread in a private window and see that your comment isn't there. If you look on the account that posted it, you will still see it. You may not even have been aware that the above is a thing; most people aren't. But in my experience it accounts for a large fraction, if not the majority, of moderation actions against real human users on Reddit. Shadowbanning is very similar but IMO less insidious since it's a lot easier for human users to notice. I'm not sure if per-subreddit shadowbans are a thing, but I lean toward no because it has not happened to me (that I'm aware of).
- account42 4y ago
  Shadowbanning is at least not something that is available to normal moderators on reddit. You could set up AutoModerator to remove all posts by a user but they will be visibly removed. Reddit as a whole does have shadowbans but at least as far as it is public knowledge that functionality is restricted to the admins. Perhaps moderators of large "default" subreddits get special tools though or perhaps they can call up the admins to do it for them.
  - caconym_ 4y ago
    > You could set up AutoModerator to remove all posts by a user but they will be visibly removed. Is shadow comment deletion not available to AutoModerator? My own experience suggests otherwise, though not conclusively.

caconym_ 4y ago

I'm not talking about deleted comments, I'm talking about shadow deleted comments. The only way (without external tools, I guess) to know it's happened to you is to notice a suspicious lack of engagement with something you posted, then visit the same thread in a private window and see that your comment isn't there. If you look on the account that posted it, you will still see it. You may not even have been aware that the above is a thing; most people aren't. But in my experience it accounts for a large fraction, if not the majority, of moderation actions against real human users on Reddit. Shadowbanning is very similar but IMO less insidious since it's a lot easier for human users to notice. I'm not sure if per-subreddit shadowbans are a thing, but I lean toward no because it has not happened to me (that I'm aware of).

account42 4y ago
Shadowbanning is at least not something that is available to normal moderators on reddit. You could set up AutoModerator to remove all posts by a user but they will be visibly removed. Reddit as a whole does have shadowbans but at least as far as it is public knowledge that functionality is restricted to the admins. Perhaps moderators of large "default" subreddits get special tools though or perhaps they can call up the admins to do it for them.
- caconym_ 4y ago
  > You could set up AutoModerator to remove all posts by a user but they will be visibly removed. Is shadow comment deletion not available to AutoModerator? My own experience suggests otherwise, though not conclusively.