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I think your statement is the issue. If you have two equally qualified candidates - one anglo saxan male from boston, and one african american female from geor

I think your statement is the issue. If you have two equally qualified candidates - one anglo saxan male from boston, and one african american female from georgia - at many places, one is going to be consistently chosen. I agree - that is absolutely bias based on protected characteristics. Do you?

ryan93 4y ago
Evidence that one is going to be consistently chosen?
- dvngnt_ 4y ago
  there's a few studies regarding resume names and getting call backs
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  Written, documented company policy?
- rjbwork 4y ago
  While I do think GP is correct at many places, my team literally hired a black woman from Georgia and turned down a white dude from Boston, lol. I am not a fan of the overbearing top down policies like Microsoft is talking about, but I have become friendly with aforementioned hire, and some of the stories of discrimination and just people being really rude to her in the professional world are mind blowing to me. I can definitely believe that a lot of workplaces do actively discriminate against various minority groups.
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  - kazinator 4y ago
    A single datapoint doesn't confirm or refute the presence of bias; your anecode doesn't contrast anything I've written in my comment about the definition of bias. If the organization consistently chose a black woman over an equally qualified white man, that would likely indicate bias. What is "literally hired"; does your organization figuratively hire most of the time, except for the surprising odd time when it is, wow, literal?
    - rjbwork 4y ago
      I feel you may have misunderstood my comment. I wasn't really trying to argue anything, merely stating my belief in light of information conveyed to me by someone. Let me explain. I don't think I intended to counter anything with what I was saying. I was merely amused by the intersection of the article i was reading with the situation I had - being involved in the hiring of, specifically, an african american woman in Georgia to an engineering role and the turning down of a white dude from Boston. "Literally" was used to emphasize the exactness of the hypothetical to my reality - less analogous than equal. With that out of the way, the core of my comment was intended to convey the message "I can believe that there is a lot of hidden bias out there in the world, based on the stories someone generally considered to be at risk of many biases has told me."

ryan93 4y ago

Evidence that one is going to be consistently chosen?

dvngnt_ 4y ago
there's a few studies regarding resume names and getting call backs
commandlinefan 4y ago
Written, documented company policy?
rjbwork 4y ago
While I do think GP is correct at many places, my team literally hired a black woman from Georgia and turned down a white dude from Boston, lol. I am not a fan of the overbearing top down policies like Microsoft is talking about, but I have become friendly with aforementioned hire, and some of the stories of discrimination and just people being really rude to her in the professional world are mind blowing to me. I can definitely believe that a lot of workplaces do actively discriminate against various minority groups.
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- kazinator 4y ago
  A single datapoint doesn't confirm or refute the presence of bias; your anecode doesn't contrast anything I've written in my comment about the definition of bias. If the organization consistently chose a black woman over an equally qualified white man, that would likely indicate bias. What is "literally hired"; does your organization figuratively hire most of the time, except for the surprising odd time when it is, wow, literal?
  - rjbwork 4y ago
    I feel you may have misunderstood my comment. I wasn't really trying to argue anything, merely stating my belief in light of information conveyed to me by someone. Let me explain. I don't think I intended to counter anything with what I was saying. I was merely amused by the intersection of the article i was reading with the situation I had - being involved in the hiring of, specifically, an african american woman in Georgia to an engineering role and the turning down of a white dude from Boston. "Literally" was used to emphasize the exactness of the hypothetical to my reality - less analogous than equal. With that out of the way, the core of my comment was intended to convey the message "I can believe that there is a lot of hidden bias out there in the world, based on the stories someone generally considered to be at risk of many biases has told me."