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I'm a VR enthusiast, but will never buy from Meta! (I had the Oculus Quest previously.) I'm waiting for my next gen headset. Apple might release next spring.

by ozten 4y ago

I'm a VR enthusiast, but will never buy from Meta! (I had the Oculus Quest previously.) I'm waiting for my next gen headset. Apple might release next spring. Pico hardware for sale in Europe is interesting. Looking forward to seeing if they ship the the US. Several indie hardware plays out there (lynx-r.com, simulavr.com, etc)

wollsmoth 4y ago
Yeah I have to see what Apple comes out with. I'd be really interested if they had a good VR monitor setup. Could really change how I wfh.
baby 4y ago
- squidsoup 4y ago
  How so? Apple don't sell your data to third parties.
  - nsenifty 4y ago
    Neither does Facebook. Using user data to target ads is different than selling data to third parties.
    - sfvegandude 4y ago
      Yes, it’s worse. Facebook doesn’t sell your data, they sell your attention and futures on your behavior. Apple doesn’t.
      - thomasahle 4y ago
        Sure they do. Apple's ad network is the third largest after Google and Meta.
    - hartator 4y ago
      It is exactly that. They use data your put on Facebook to make allow audience targeting down to even an individual level.
  - metta2uall 4y ago
    Consider how much environmental damage they're doing by churning out so many physical products and convincing many people to buy them ASAP. That's arguably worse than privacy issues. Not that Facebook is any better - their business model relies on helping turbocharge excessive consumerism through targeted ads.
- macNchz 4y ago
  Apple may not be perfect, but the bar to be more ethical than Facebook is incredibly low. Facebook has consistently demonstrated a level of contempt for their users' privacy for many years. I took note of this personally for the first time in ~2007 when the news feed launched and their privacy settings around it very obviously employed dark patterns, but it's clear from reading about the history of the company that it's something that has existed from their very beginnings.
  - awillen 4y ago
    And Apple uses forced labor in Xinjiang - one could make the case that that's worse than dark patterns.
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, regardless of which $BigCo you like or dislike. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by ozten 4y ago

wollsmoth 4y ago

Yeah I have to see what Apple comes out with. I'd be really interested if they had a good VR monitor setup. Could really change how I wfh.

baby 4y ago

squidsoup 4y ago
How so? Apple don't sell your data to third parties.
- nsenifty 4y ago
  Neither does Facebook. Using user data to target ads is different than selling data to third parties.
  - sfvegandude 4y ago
    Yes, it’s worse. Facebook doesn’t sell your data, they sell your attention and futures on your behavior. Apple doesn’t.
    - thomasahle 4y ago
      Sure they do. Apple's ad network is the third largest after Google and Meta.
  - hartator 4y ago
    It is exactly that. They use data your put on Facebook to make allow audience targeting down to even an individual level.
- metta2uall 4y ago
  Consider how much environmental damage they're doing by churning out so many physical products and convincing many people to buy them ASAP. That's arguably worse than privacy issues. Not that Facebook is any better - their business model relies on helping turbocharge excessive consumerism through targeted ads.
macNchz 4y ago
Apple may not be perfect, but the bar to be more ethical than Facebook is incredibly low. Facebook has consistently demonstrated a level of contempt for their users' privacy for many years. I took note of this personally for the first time in ~2007 when the news feed launched and their privacy settings around it very obviously employed dark patterns, but it's clear from reading about the history of the company that it's something that has existed from their very beginnings.
- awillen 4y ago
  And Apple uses forced labor in Xinjiang - one could make the case that that's worse than dark patterns.
dang 4y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN, regardless of which $BigCo you like or dislike. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html