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Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic? This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is

by gfd 4y ago

Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic? This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is equivalent to leaking the main IP of your company. Unlike source code where it loses value quickly out of context (e.g. twitch leaked their code yet that didn't spawn a bunch of twitch clones), models can be fine-tuned and transfer-learning-ed for many other purposes Since these models take millions of dollars to train, I see these sort of hacks becoming a thing! I wonder when companies will start adding "trap streets"[2] to prove that others are using their stolen models? [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y57wwucbXR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y57wwucbXR8 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trap_street

nonbirithm 4y ago
I did actually submit a link to a GitHub issue about this, but it seems to have been blocked by HN. I can see the post title when I'm logged in but as a guest it doesn't show anything at all. The post wasn't even flagged as dead. It doesn't show up in my submitted links list when logged out either. I don't know if it tripped an internal filter on HN or something. Here is the link to the post in case you're curious. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33146603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33146603 In case it matters I used the GitHub issue title as the name of the post - "Stable-diffusion-webui is using stolen code". Here is the actual link I posted. https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issues/1936 https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issu...
- wsb_mod2 4y ago
  Showing up as a blank page for me. Fascinating. https://i.imgur.com/NzFX5Cz.png https://i.imgur.com/NzFX5Cz.png
  - nonbirithm 4y ago
    This is what it looks like for me. https://imgur.io/di80ueh https://imgur.io/di80ueh
  - SSLy 4y ago
    I see a "vouch" option below the linked post, so probably someone flagged it as soon as it arrived in the queue.
  - topynate 4y ago
    Do you have showdead enabled? To me, it looks like a post that's been automatically made dead – i.e. I see [dead] but not [flagged]. I know there are certain (very few) things a user in good standing can say in a comment to produce that outcome, not sure what's happened in this post though.
    - nonbirithm 4y ago
      I do have showdead enabled. It's possible the [dead] marker doesn't appear for one's own posts, but I'm not sure.
- dang 4y ago
  We banned github.com/automatic1111 a while back because it was being promoted by some sort of spam ring. We can let that particular link go through if it's the best one on the topic but perhaps there is something else out there?
  - sophrocyne 4y ago
    From my observation of the devolution on the SD Discord and reddit, that "spam ring" might just have been his user base.
  - Karawebnetwork 4y ago
    I can't speak to how people were behaving on HN, but automatic1111's is pretty much the gold standard for people who use SD locally on their machine, which might explain why a lot of people were posting it. It was however present on some recurring 'chan threads about SD, which might explain why it is linked to some unsavory behavior.
    - dang 4y ago
      Ok, I've unbanned it. Thanks to both of you.
pdntspa 4y ago
If you're going to make those claims you need to be providing evidence, like side-by-side comparisons. What you have posted there reeks of a hit-and-run. Kind of with automatic on this one, good imperative code can only take so many forms. Plus there is the argument that no IP deserves protection, and that no IP owner should have any rights, ever, given that information is infinitely copyable and yearns to be free.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  “ Plus there is the argument that no IP deserves protection, and that no IP owner should have any rights, ever, given that information is infinitely copyable and yearns to be free.” These arguments aren’t taken that seriously by people that understand investment, technology development, and risk mitigation though.
  - pdntspa 4y ago
    I get that, but that is because they have built businesses off the backs of IP exploitation. You cannot get people to understand your argument when their paycheck is derived from it. That we allow (even encourage) such blatant violations of natural laws and physics is one of the more contemptible attributes of us as a people, IMHO Just because an industry exists doesn't mean it's valid. Like living things, business entities have a survival instinct that will fight anything that that threatens it. And the dismantling of their business plan is a pretty big threat. Like cancer, these things start small and metastasize until they endanger the life of the host.

by gfd 4y ago

nonbirithm 4y ago

I did actually submit a link to a GitHub issue about this, but it seems to have been blocked by HN. I can see the post title when I'm logged in but as a guest it doesn't show anything at all. The post wasn't even flagged as dead. It doesn't show up in my submitted links list when logged out either. I don't know if it tripped an internal filter on HN or something. Here is the link to the post in case you're curious. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33146603 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33146603 In case it matters I used the GitHub issue title as the name of the post - "Stable-diffusion-webui is using stolen code". Here is the actual link I posted. https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issues/1936 https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui/issu...

wsb_mod2 4y ago
Showing up as a blank page for me. Fascinating. https://i.imgur.com/NzFX5Cz.png https://i.imgur.com/NzFX5Cz.png
- nonbirithm 4y ago
  This is what it looks like for me. https://imgur.io/di80ueh https://imgur.io/di80ueh
- SSLy 4y ago
  I see a "vouch" option below the linked post, so probably someone flagged it as soon as it arrived in the queue.
- topynate 4y ago
  Do you have showdead enabled? To me, it looks like a post that's been automatically made dead – i.e. I see [dead] but not [flagged]. I know there are certain (very few) things a user in good standing can say in a comment to produce that outcome, not sure what's happened in this post though.
  - nonbirithm 4y ago
    I do have showdead enabled. It's possible the [dead] marker doesn't appear for one's own posts, but I'm not sure.
dang 4y ago
We banned github.com/automatic1111 a while back because it was being promoted by some sort of spam ring. We can let that particular link go through if it's the best one on the topic but perhaps there is something else out there?
- sophrocyne 4y ago
  From my observation of the devolution on the SD Discord and reddit, that "spam ring" might just have been his user base.
- Karawebnetwork 4y ago
  I can't speak to how people were behaving on HN, but automatic1111's is pretty much the gold standard for people who use SD locally on their machine, which might explain why a lot of people were posting it. It was however present on some recurring 'chan threads about SD, which might explain why it is linked to some unsavory behavior.
  - dang 4y ago
    Ok, I've unbanned it. Thanks to both of you.

pdntspa 4y ago

If you're going to make those claims you need to be providing evidence, like side-by-side comparisons. What you have posted there reeks of a hit-and-run. Kind of with automatic on this one, good imperative code can only take so many forms. Plus there is the argument that no IP deserves protection, and that no IP owner should have any rights, ever, given that information is infinitely copyable and yearns to be free.

mensetmanusman 4y ago
“ Plus there is the argument that no IP deserves protection, and that no IP owner should have any rights, ever, given that information is infinitely copyable and yearns to be free.” These arguments aren’t taken that seriously by people that understand investment, technology development, and risk mitigation though.
- pdntspa 4y ago
  I get that, but that is because they have built businesses off the backs of IP exploitation. You cannot get people to understand your argument when their paycheck is derived from it. That we allow (even encourage) such blatant violations of natural laws and physics is one of the more contemptible attributes of us as a people, IMHO Just because an industry exists doesn't mean it's valid. Like living things, business entities have a survival instinct that will fight anything that that threatens it. And the dismantling of their business plan is a pretty big threat. Like cancer, these things start small and metastasize until they endanger the life of the host.