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Ah, so Irish went from basically being owned in Ireland to totally accepted when they came to WASP America? Having Irish family with written family history, you

Ah, so Irish went from basically being owned in Ireland to totally accepted when they came to WASP America? Having Irish family with written family history, you can fuck off with your 'well actually' racespalining. I would say being starved to death between 1845 – 1852 because you were Irish very much refutes anything you presented.

tjs8rj 4y ago
No, Irish people aren’t and will never be WASPs, because you have to be anglo-Saxon to be White Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. Beyond that: being white and being accepted in America having little to do with each other. In every legal instance of discrimination on the basis of race (segregation, Jim Crow, etc), Irish people fell in the white category. Despite harsh miscegenation laws, Irish people could “intermarry” other white people without any issue - because it wasn’t intermarrying - they were all considered white. This is the problem with the nonsense definition of white as “accepted in America and receiving zero discrimination”. Was JFK not white either because he was Catholic and Catholics dealt with discrimination through US history? Of course not. Irish people have worse outcomes today vs the average for whites across incomes, wealth, interview rates, and so on. Are they still not white today? White has a very simple meaning, like black or Asian does: it’s determined by your lineage and how you are perceived by other and yourself, with a few other factors. It’s complicated in some cases, but it has nothing to do with your level of discrimination. Do you think white people can’t receive discrimination by definition? If one is discriminated against, are they no longer white? And you mentioned starving in the Irish Potato Famine. That was a failure of government policy and farmers breeding the same strain. The prevailing British policy was that you only received welfare benefits if you didn’t own land, and so many Irish farmers and others who needed it weren’t willing to give up their land for it. That has nothing to do with race

tjs8rj 4y ago

No, Irish people aren’t and will never be WASPs, because you have to be anglo-Saxon to be White Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. Beyond that: being white and being accepted in America having little to do with each other. In every legal instance of discrimination on the basis of race (segregation, Jim Crow, etc), Irish people fell in the white category. Despite harsh miscegenation laws, Irish people could “intermarry” other white people without any issue - because it wasn’t intermarrying - they were all considered white. This is the problem with the nonsense definition of white as “accepted in America and receiving zero discrimination”. Was JFK not white either because he was Catholic and Catholics dealt with discrimination through US history? Of course not. Irish people have worse outcomes today vs the average for whites across incomes, wealth, interview rates, and so on. Are they still not white today? White has a very simple meaning, like black or Asian does: it’s determined by your lineage and how you are perceived by other and yourself, with a few other factors. It’s complicated in some cases, but it has nothing to do with your level of discrimination. Do you think white people can’t receive discrimination by definition? If one is discriminated against, are they no longer white? And you mentioned starving in the Irish Potato Famine. That was a failure of government policy and farmers breeding the same strain. The prevailing British policy was that you only received welfare benefits if you didn’t own land, and so many Irish farmers and others who needed it weren’t willing to give up their land for it. That has nothing to do with race