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I don't think it's treason. The US is not officially a participant of the war, and he is not acting on behalf of the US. At worst he would be in violation of US

I don't think it's treason. The US is not officially a participant of the war, and he is not acting on behalf of the US. At worst he would be in violation of US sanctions.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/treason https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/treason Treason refers to the betrayal of one’s own country by attempting to overthrow the government through waging war against the state or materially aiding its enemies. According to the United States Constitution, Article III, Section 3, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.” Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” [..] https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/crime-and-law-enforcement/treason https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/cri... Three key elements are necessary for an offense to constitute treason: an obligation of allegiance to the legal order, and intent and action to violate that obligation. Treason is a breach of allegiance and of the faithful support a citizen owes to the sovereignty within which he lives.
- legitster 4y ago
  Again, I don't think Russia is technically an "enemy" of the US right now. Elon is also certainly not levying war against the US. And if simply talking to a foreign power and then advocating peace constituted treason, we would have had to execute a huge number of journalists during the Cold War or the War on Terror. And for the record, Treason laws have not been enforced in the US since WWII (and even then just barely). Elon may certainly be guilty of something, but I don't think treason specifically.
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    Journalists have protections under international laws.
harambae 4y ago
Depending on the details it could conceivably be a FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act) violation. But, much more realistically, he could have his security clearance revoked [0] as a sort of penalty if some government folks are unhappy enough. People on this thread who are throwing around the word treason... no. And the last conviction for treason was the 1950's btw. [0] https://time.com/5547914/elon-musk-security-clearance-pot/ https://time.com/5547914/elon-musk-security-clearance-pot/

I don't think it's treason. The US is not officially a participant of the war, and he is not acting on behalf of the US. At worst he would be in violation of US sanctions.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/treason https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/treason Treason refers to the betrayal of one’s own country by attempting to overthrow the government through waging war against the state or materially aiding its enemies. According to the United States Constitution, Article III, Section 3, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.” Furthermore, 18 U.S.C § 2381, states that a person guilty of treason against the United States “shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.” [..] https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/crime-and-law-enforcement/treason https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/cri... Three key elements are necessary for an offense to constitute treason: an obligation of allegiance to the legal order, and intent and action to violate that obligation. Treason is a breach of allegiance and of the faithful support a citizen owes to the sovereignty within which he lives.

legitster 4y ago
Again, I don't think Russia is technically an "enemy" of the US right now. Elon is also certainly not levying war against the US. And if simply talking to a foreign power and then advocating peace constituted treason, we would have had to execute a huge number of journalists during the Cold War or the War on Terror. And for the record, Treason laws have not been enforced in the US since WWII (and even then just barely). Elon may certainly be guilty of something, but I don't think treason specifically.
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Journalists have protections under international laws.

harambae 4y ago

Depending on the details it could conceivably be a FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act) violation. But, much more realistically, he could have his security clearance revoked [0] as a sort of penalty if some government folks are unhappy enough. People on this thread who are throwing around the word treason... no. And the last conviction for treason was the 1950's btw. [0] https://time.com/5547914/elon-musk-security-clearance-pot/ https://time.com/5547914/elon-musk-security-clearance-pot/