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This model ignores a key incentive: dating apps that don't successfully match won't be used. So at best, the developer is incentivized to have the user find so

This model ignores a key incentive: dating apps that don't successfully match won't be used. So at best, the developer is incentivized to have the user find someone to date in the short term and have the relationship fail in a manner that doesn't reflect poorly on the dating site. And it's not really feasible for the dating site distinguish between "will successfully date for a few months" and "will successfully date for a lifetime". You could apply the same logic to any long term purchase. Dealerships only sell lemons because they want you to come back and buy more cars. Recruiters only match you with companies that you'll definitely want to leave because they want to match you again. Realtors only show you houses you'll hate because then you'll want to move again.

londons_explore 4y ago
> it's not really feasible for the dating site distinguish between "will successfully date for a few months" and "will successfully date for a lifetime". I think it is feasible for a dating site to figure that out, given enough data. And I think the 'few months' figure is probably too high - they want to match people who will go on a few dates or a one night stand, then return to the app. It's a pretty damn strong signal when a user matches with someone, exchanges phone numbers, then deactivates their account. The ML algorithms will be trained to do everything possible to avoid that outcome.
- karpierz 4y ago
  > I think it is feasible for a dating site to figure that out, given enough data. I've worked on the developer-side of this; I assure you, it's not. It's hard enough to predict if people will exchange messages with any reasonable precision + recall. > It's a pretty damn strong signal when a user matches with someone, exchanges phone numbers, then deactivates their account. The ML algorithms will be trained to do everything possible to avoid that outcome. Yeah, any dating site that does this is doomed to irrelevance. If it were as easy to make a successful dating site by just optimizing for that signal, you should really do it. Match will acquire you for millions - billions, and the core code is relatively simple. You could get it running in under a week. Get some VC funding, do a gradual roll out onto a few colleges, you'll be a multi-millionaire by Spring.
tkk23 4y ago
Have you considered the network effect? Users can't switch if there is no competitor with possible matches.
- londons_explore 4y ago
  There is also a network effect for data. A dating site with few users doesn't collect much data, so can't train an ML algorithm to do a good job of showing you interesting matches.
maerF0x0 4y ago
> dating apps that don't successfully match won't be used. This isn't entirely true. A portion of the user base uses it almost entirely for entertainment and validation. I'd suspect it's a sizeable portion at that.

londons_explore 4y ago

> it's not really feasible for the dating site distinguish between "will successfully date for a few months" and "will successfully date for a lifetime". I think it is feasible for a dating site to figure that out, given enough data. And I think the 'few months' figure is probably too high - they want to match people who will go on a few dates or a one night stand, then return to the app. It's a pretty damn strong signal when a user matches with someone, exchanges phone numbers, then deactivates their account. The ML algorithms will be trained to do everything possible to avoid that outcome.

karpierz 4y ago
> I think it is feasible for a dating site to figure that out, given enough data. I've worked on the developer-side of this; I assure you, it's not. It's hard enough to predict if people will exchange messages with any reasonable precision + recall. > It's a pretty damn strong signal when a user matches with someone, exchanges phone numbers, then deactivates their account. The ML algorithms will be trained to do everything possible to avoid that outcome. Yeah, any dating site that does this is doomed to irrelevance. If it were as easy to make a successful dating site by just optimizing for that signal, you should really do it. Match will acquire you for millions - billions, and the core code is relatively simple. You could get it running in under a week. Get some VC funding, do a gradual roll out onto a few colleges, you'll be a multi-millionaire by Spring.

tkk23 4y ago

Have you considered the network effect? Users can't switch if there is no competitor with possible matches.

londons_explore 4y ago
There is also a network effect for data. A dating site with few users doesn't collect much data, so can't train an ML algorithm to do a good job of showing you interesting matches.

maerF0x0 4y ago

> dating apps that don't successfully match won't be used. This isn't entirely true. A portion of the user base uses it almost entirely for entertainment and validation. I'd suspect it's a sizeable portion at that.