On the other hand China does seem to punish private companies if they leak data. The danger would be zero if they had not collected that info in the first place

On the other hand China does seem to punish private companies if they leak data. The danger would be zero if they had not collected that info in the first place. So China does have a larger protection of privacy here than many western countries. Sure, that the state is exempt is more that fishy. > societal security to justify the surveillance So does the EU. It wants to scan all chat messages in the name of child security. As if that isn't about surveillance and large platforms actually had many cases of child abuse in the first place. Yes, people that demand such policies are extremists and they should not govern, but there is little any voter could change about that, voting out EU officials is as realistic as voting out the CCP. Probably won't happen. Lin is right here. It is not a condemnation of China because people are not fighting against surveillance, western people don't do that either, just look at Twitter. > uncover the key links in surveillance supply chains, and to come up with effective responses. In my opinion these companies should face extreme pressure, people being disinterested in the topic don't look too far ahead. I wish upon them the worst bossware anyone can imagine because that will be the consequence.