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> I read that as "worst possible conditions as legally allowed". Why should conditions be any better than what is legally required? If you have a problem with
by dolni 4y ago
> I read that as "worst possible conditions as legally allowed".
Why should conditions be any better than what is legally required? If you have a problem with what the law requires, fine. The law should describe some reasonable standard.
But making jail conditions "better" doesn't happen by magic. It requires effort and it costs money.
- uoaei 4y agoAh yes, perfect riposte, scold the person with no legislative power about how they just have to change the law.
- dolni 4y agoAs opposed to cheering on the person who has no power to change prison conditions? Perfect riposte, indeed.
- JulianChastain 4y agoDo you think the purpose of prison is primarily to rehabilitate prisoners into society or to give just, deserved punishment for offenses to society? If you agree with the former, then making conditions better than the legal baseline could humanize the prison population and increase their chances and motivation to reassimilate themselves into society. If you agree with the latter, then I don't see a good argument for bettering the conditions of prisoners. From a basic utilitarian standpoint, it seems very clear that policy guided by the the rehabilitation principle will result in better outcomes than policy guided by the punishment principles.
- dolni 4y agoI agree with neither of your false dichotomy points. The purpose of prison, first and foremost, is to protect society from people who are dangerous. Rehabilitation is secondary to that. Additionally it is important to call out that humane does not mean nice or pleasant. Prison does not need to be cruel. But it should absolutely not be something that people enjoy, because then you create perverse incentives.