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I'm surprised how real Rogan sounds and how Jobs does not. Why is that?

by komape 4y ago

gjsman-1000 4y ago
Presumably because we have hours, days, weeks of Joe Rogan speaking - not just on his podcast but as a sports announcer as well. Steve Jobs... we have a few speeches and presentations, but we don't have much data on how he spoke by comparison.
blairbeckwith 4y ago
Exponentially more training data for Joe than Steve, and infinity more training data in a podcast episode setting.
daptaq 4y ago
More data to train on?
daveguy 4y ago
Probably training set size. Joe Rogan talks for a living.
whoooooo123 4y ago
Maybe there's more training data available for Rogan. The guy pumps out hundreds of hours of content a year in which he's recorded discussing every topic under the sun. I can't imagine there's a similar quantity of recordings of Jobs's voice - or of almost anyone's voice for that matter. Edit: four other people replied in the time it took me to type two sentences. I guess the answer is that obvious.
the_lonely_road 4y ago
Probably significantly more training data for Rogan than Jobs and a much wider range thanks to his long running pod cast. I am not super familiar with Steve Jobs so I can't think of anything other than his keynotes and some interviews that you would be able to use for him. Unrelated point...that laugh was incredibly bad and repetitive to the point it felt like they were playing laugh.wav file each time they wanted a laugh instead of generating a new laugh of variable pitch and length.
corry 4y ago
The issue is Job's training data is likely 99% his public "presentation voice" audio -- cadence, inflection, emphasis from public remarks at Apple events, commencement addresses, shareholder meetings, etc -- which OF COURSE sounds unnatural in regular conversation. Meanwhile Rogan has million hours of regular conversation audio to learn from.
- vanattab 4y ago
  Would the fact that Joe's data is more standardized and produced the same way. Job's data is likely a mix of different volumes, echo levels, processing have an effect
- abledon 4y ago
  one could hire a _really good_ steve jobs voice actor to generate more training data for the AI algorithm?
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    At that point using them to create the exact audio would be easier
    - bongobingo1 4y ago
      Yeah but what VC is interested in funding /that/?
    - olalonde 4y ago
      Humans are expensive though. If you have a lot of speech to record, it might be cheaper to use the human to train the AI and then let the AI finish the rest.
  - flir 4y ago
    Then you could just hire the actor to read Jobs' part directly? Hiring people to train their replacements seems off to me.
    - 4y ago
nixpulvis 4y ago
lol, everyone calls it training data. Here I was thinking I was in the right practice.
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I'm surprised how real Rogan sounds and how Jobs does not. Why is that?

by komape 4y ago

I'm surprised how real Rogan sounds and how Jobs does not. Why is that?

Presumably because we have hours, days, weeks of Joe Rogan speaking - not just on his podcast but as a sports announcer as well. Steve Jobs... we have a few speeches and presentations, but we don't have much data on how he spoke by comparison.

blairbeckwith 4y ago

Exponentially more training data for Joe than Steve, and infinity more training data in a podcast episode setting.

daptaq 4y ago

More data to train on?

daveguy 4y ago

Probably training set size. Joe Rogan talks for a living.

whoooooo123 4y ago

Maybe there's more training data available for Rogan. The guy pumps out hundreds of hours of content a year in which he's recorded discussing every topic under the sun. I can't imagine there's a similar quantity of recordings of Jobs's voice - or of almost anyone's voice for that matter. Edit: four other people replied in the time it took me to type two sentences. I guess the answer is that obvious.

the_lonely_road 4y ago

Probably significantly more training data for Rogan than Jobs and a much wider range thanks to his long running pod cast. I am not super familiar with Steve Jobs so I can't think of anything other than his keynotes and some interviews that you would be able to use for him. Unrelated point...that laugh was incredibly bad and repetitive to the point it felt like they were playing laugh.wav file each time they wanted a laugh instead of generating a new laugh of variable pitch and length.

corry 4y ago

The issue is Job's training data is likely 99% his public "presentation voice" audio -- cadence, inflection, emphasis from public remarks at Apple events, commencement addresses, shareholder meetings, etc -- which OF COURSE sounds unnatural in regular conversation. Meanwhile Rogan has million hours of regular conversation audio to learn from.

vanattab 4y ago
Would the fact that Joe's data is more standardized and produced the same way. Job's data is likely a mix of different volumes, echo levels, processing have an effect
abledon 4y ago
one could hire a _really good_ steve jobs voice actor to generate more training data for the AI algorithm?
- ipaddr 4y ago
  At that point using them to create the exact audio would be easier
  - bongobingo1 4y ago
    Yeah but what VC is interested in funding /that/?
  - olalonde 4y ago
    Humans are expensive though. If you have a lot of speech to record, it might be cheaper to use the human to train the AI and then let the AI finish the rest.
- flir 4y ago
  Then you could just hire the actor to read Jobs' part directly? Hiring people to train their replacements seems off to me.
  - 4y ago

nixpulvis 4y ago

lol, everyone calls it training data. Here I was thinking I was in the right practice.

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