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This is such a weird argument to me. Yes that's the legal framework we are living under, but I think it is pretty far from any intuitive sense of ownership. S

by skohan 4y ago

This is such a weird argument to me. Yes that's the legal framework we are living under, but I think it is pretty far from any intuitive sense of ownership. Software is quite strange in the way it allows something we own, and keep in our home, to be controlled in large part by some third party at a distance. For instance, imagine if you had a car such that the company which made it controlled where you could drive it to, and which stations you could stop at to buy gas. Would that make sense to anyone?

alwayslikethis 4y ago
> which stations you could stop at to buy gas This is already happening to an extent with Tesla, though you can still charge it at home.
- Huh1337 4y ago
  Tesla gives you more options than others, not less. You can charge your Tesla at literally any charging station, you just need a compatibility plug. But it's not possible to charge non-Tesla cars at Superchargers.
onethought 4y ago
Cars with different fuel types have been a thing for a while. EVs with different plug types are also a thing, with software even blocking use of adapters. Your example doesn’t seem to illustrate anything weird. (Unless you mean to say “everything is weird”)
- skohan 4y ago
  Different fuel types is categorically different. The fact that you can't run a petroleum engine on diesel is not a restriction placed on the car by the vendor, it's just physics. My example would be, what if your car refused to accept fuel at a given gas station because that station did not sign a licensing agreement with Honda? Or what if your car refused to drive to restaurants which were not approved by the manufacturer? I think we would all agree that would seem very strange indeed, and people would be livid. EV's with different plug types are a relatively new thing, using DRM for charging stations seems pretty weird if you ask me. It's a similar situation with BMW's move to lock heated seats behind a paywall as a software feature. A lot of people are quite livid about other industries trying to adopt these kinds of norms from software.

by skohan 4y ago

alwayslikethis 4y ago

> which stations you could stop at to buy gas This is already happening to an extent with Tesla, though you can still charge it at home.

Huh1337 4y ago
Tesla gives you more options than others, not less. You can charge your Tesla at literally any charging station, you just need a compatibility plug. But it's not possible to charge non-Tesla cars at Superchargers.

onethought 4y ago

Cars with different fuel types have been a thing for a while. EVs with different plug types are also a thing, with software even blocking use of adapters. Your example doesn’t seem to illustrate anything weird. (Unless you mean to say “everything is weird”)

skohan 4y ago
Different fuel types is categorically different. The fact that you can't run a petroleum engine on diesel is not a restriction placed on the car by the vendor, it's just physics. My example would be, what if your car refused to accept fuel at a given gas station because that station did not sign a licensing agreement with Honda? Or what if your car refused to drive to restaurants which were not approved by the manufacturer? I think we would all agree that would seem very strange indeed, and people would be livid. EV's with different plug types are a relatively new thing, using DRM for charging stations seems pretty weird if you ask me. It's a similar situation with BMW's move to lock heated seats behind a paywall as a software feature. A lot of people are quite livid about other industries trying to adopt these kinds of norms from software.