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Do you feed your dogs kibble? It is not a natural diet. Horses likewise are typically eating a very unnatural diet, typically hay. These are both perfect exa

Do you feed your dogs kibble? It is not a natural diet. Horses likewise are typically eating a very unnatural diet, typically hay. These are both perfect examples of a analogous diet to modern human diet. The difference being that they are animals and have no ability to correct for poor dietary "choices" with proper maintenance. I agree, however, with your self assessment.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
> I agree, however, with your self assessment. Didn’t take long to go from glib self deprecation to judgy spectator sport. Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble. She has a prescription low fat diet and there are two vendors total who supply the prescription. One supplies only kibble. The other supplies kibble and canned food. She will only eat a few bites of the canned food each day. Should she starve because the kibble isn’t natural? The canned food isn’t either, should she just starve? Should I feed her chicken and rice which even with all the fat trimmed off is still too rich for her? Or should she be set free to eat whatever she can get sick on or get hit by a car trying? I’m doubtful my pup will have rotten teeth at 13 because she’s fortunate that dental health has been among her better strokes of luck. But I’m sure as hell going to feed her the “unnatural” food she depends on to have a healthy life and not feel guilted by judgmental busybodies about it.
- labster 4y ago
  The natural diet of dogs is table scraps. They’ve been eating human leftovers for thousands of years.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    The natural solution for dogs which need a special restrictive diet to survive is death. I think we prefer unnatural sometimes.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    I wonder how many people, upon observing people feeding dogs table scraps, argued that it was more natural for them to hunt prey, and hide from humans unless they were a present danger, and kill or maim them in those cases. I’m glad my pup has medical professionals who take her well-being seriously and don’t think whether she gets to live a healthy life is up for abstract debate based on how her ancestors were domesticated. Thanks for the discussion of how unnatural it is for my pup to be alive and healthy. I’m much more educated now.
- upsidesinclude 4y ago
  It was a bad assessment and a poor comparison. It's illogical. Your statements are also illogical and emotional. Figure it out. Dogs can eat just about anything. Kibble is a lot of dried out garbage. Vets are great at selling you stuff and you seem to be a good customer. That's the only compliment I can afford you. The alternative to not eating kibble is starvation? This is senseless. I'm no busy body, in fact, I think it somewhat of an admirable trait to tell animal neglectors that they should be better to their animals. But, do feel judged if you choose to air your negligence and someone tells you, rightly, that you are in the wrong.
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    You’re making so many wrong assumptions to arrive at your conclusion. > Vets are great at selling you stuff and you seem to be a good customer. They didn’t sell me anything. They don’t stock the food they prescribed, they named two brands that offer a diet consistent with the prescription and recommended ordering from Chewy. The only relationship they have with Chewy is to confirm the prescription so orders can be filled. If anything, my vet has been exceedingly conscious of financial impact of vet care. They’ve not only detailed when certain tests or treatments are optional and a judgment call for me to make, but have recommended against certain options as unnecessary, only telling me of those options so I can make an informed decision. > The alternative to not eating kibble is starvation? This is senseless. The alternatives were either: - ignore their medical advice and let her continue to be acutely ill with a high likelihood of chronic illness - try the prescription diet, which the vet acknowledged may not be sufficient but said it was where we should start; it has been sufficient for nearly a year, the longest stretch of time without any illness in my pup’s three and half years - try non-prescription options, including home cooked foods like chicken/rice/vegetables; in fact this was part of the diet transition and even chicken breast with all the visible fat trimmed off was too rich for her - try to change her taste so she won’t eat the kibble, while watching her under-eat with no way of knowing whether or how long that will continue; even with the kibble she’s a very finicky eater and always has been, and I often have had to resort to hand feeding her so she’ll be comfortable enough to eat > But, do feel judged if you choose to air your negligence and someone tells you, rightly, that you are in the wrong. With the help of my vet’s care, have got my pup back to health, and kept her healthy. You’re sitting here calling me negligent because you believe I’ve been swindled by an unscrupulous vet and because you think you know better than they or I do what my pup should eat. You are in fact being a busy body. And quite ignorantly so.
- culi 4y ago
  > Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble No need to take it personally. I don't think they were judging you for feeding your pup kibble at all. Just that it's not a fair representation of a "wild animal on a natural diet"
  - eyelidlessness 4y ago
    You should re-read GP for context.
    - upsidesinclude 4y ago
      You should reread. None of what I had stated was directed at your bizarre situation. You have internalized some kind of trauma about your dog and chose direct those statements at yourself. Get help or something
      - eyelidlessness 4y ago
        I’ve got plenty of help thanks

eyelidlessness 4y ago

> I agree, however, with your self assessment. Didn’t take long to go from glib self deprecation to judgy spectator sport. Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble. She has a prescription low fat diet and there are two vendors total who supply the prescription. One supplies only kibble. The other supplies kibble and canned food. She will only eat a few bites of the canned food each day. Should she starve because the kibble isn’t natural? The canned food isn’t either, should she just starve? Should I feed her chicken and rice which even with all the fat trimmed off is still too rich for her? Or should she be set free to eat whatever she can get sick on or get hit by a car trying? I’m doubtful my pup will have rotten teeth at 13 because she’s fortunate that dental health has been among her better strokes of luck. But I’m sure as hell going to feed her the “unnatural” food she depends on to have a healthy life and not feel guilted by judgmental busybodies about it.

labster 4y ago
The natural diet of dogs is table scraps. They’ve been eating human leftovers for thousands of years.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  The natural solution for dogs which need a special restrictive diet to survive is death. I think we prefer unnatural sometimes.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  I wonder how many people, upon observing people feeding dogs table scraps, argued that it was more natural for them to hunt prey, and hide from humans unless they were a present danger, and kill or maim them in those cases. I’m glad my pup has medical professionals who take her well-being seriously and don’t think whether she gets to live a healthy life is up for abstract debate based on how her ancestors were domesticated. Thanks for the discussion of how unnatural it is for my pup to be alive and healthy. I’m much more educated now.
upsidesinclude 4y ago
It was a bad assessment and a poor comparison. It's illogical. Your statements are also illogical and emotional. Figure it out. Dogs can eat just about anything. Kibble is a lot of dried out garbage. Vets are great at selling you stuff and you seem to be a good customer. That's the only compliment I can afford you. The alternative to not eating kibble is starvation? This is senseless. I'm no busy body, in fact, I think it somewhat of an admirable trait to tell animal neglectors that they should be better to their animals. But, do feel judged if you choose to air your negligence and someone tells you, rightly, that you are in the wrong.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  You’re making so many wrong assumptions to arrive at your conclusion. > Vets are great at selling you stuff and you seem to be a good customer. They didn’t sell me anything. They don’t stock the food they prescribed, they named two brands that offer a diet consistent with the prescription and recommended ordering from Chewy. The only relationship they have with Chewy is to confirm the prescription so orders can be filled. If anything, my vet has been exceedingly conscious of financial impact of vet care. They’ve not only detailed when certain tests or treatments are optional and a judgment call for me to make, but have recommended against certain options as unnecessary, only telling me of those options so I can make an informed decision. > The alternative to not eating kibble is starvation? This is senseless. The alternatives were either: - ignore their medical advice and let her continue to be acutely ill with a high likelihood of chronic illness - try the prescription diet, which the vet acknowledged may not be sufficient but said it was where we should start; it has been sufficient for nearly a year, the longest stretch of time without any illness in my pup’s three and half years - try non-prescription options, including home cooked foods like chicken/rice/vegetables; in fact this was part of the diet transition and even chicken breast with all the visible fat trimmed off was too rich for her - try to change her taste so she won’t eat the kibble, while watching her under-eat with no way of knowing whether or how long that will continue; even with the kibble she’s a very finicky eater and always has been, and I often have had to resort to hand feeding her so she’ll be comfortable enough to eat > But, do feel judged if you choose to air your negligence and someone tells you, rightly, that you are in the wrong. With the help of my vet’s care, have got my pup back to health, and kept her healthy. You’re sitting here calling me negligent because you believe I’ve been swindled by an unscrupulous vet and because you think you know better than they or I do what my pup should eat. You are in fact being a busy body. And quite ignorantly so.
culi 4y ago
> Okay holier than thou pet owner, you tell me how I’m supposed to not feed my pup kibble No need to take it personally. I don't think they were judging you for feeding your pup kibble at all. Just that it's not a fair representation of a "wild animal on a natural diet"
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  You should re-read GP for context.
  - upsidesinclude 4y ago
    You should reread. None of what I had stated was directed at your bizarre situation. You have internalized some kind of trauma about your dog and chose direct those statements at yourself. Get help or something
    - eyelidlessness 4y ago
      I’ve got plenty of help thanks