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I wrote an article about nuclear armageddon under the guise of writing about game theory, and the truth is that it's extremely unlikely something will happen. T
by areoform 4y ago
I wrote an article about nuclear armageddon under the guise of writing about game theory, and the truth is that it's extremely unlikely something will happen. Taking the liberty to quote myself,
> However, the implications of MAD aren’t what most people expect. Our current interpretation is a mutation of the original premise, as von Neumann examined the situation mathematically and arrived at a two-party version of Nash’s Equilibrium (John Nash generalized it to n-parties).
> More precisely, nuclear annihilation is not an iterated dilemma; therefore, it is completely logical for a first strike to be the best strategic option in this scenario. If State A destroys State B and removes any capacity for State B to strike A, then State A is able to guarantee its future existence and “wins” the game.
> The policy of nuclear retaliation, or a second strike, is an attempt to change the payoff function of this game and add a cost to this form of defection. It adds one more iteration to the game where the player is punished for their defection/first strike. Thereby making sure that the win-state is not attained.
> However, this rationale/version of MAD starts to break down the longer that you look at it. What incentive do the submarine commanders have to launch, given that the homeland that they’ve received their orders from has already been destroyed? It is not a rational policy from the survivor’s standpoint to destroy what is left of the world and end their own existence in the process. Therefore they have an incentive to not carry out the second strike, resurrecting the first-strike problem once again.
> From this perspective, and from the technology that existed in 1950, game theory predicts only one solution — strike first; strike hard. As he famously put it9,
> “If you say why not bomb [the Soviets] tomorrow, I say, why not today? If you say today at five o’clock, I say why not one o’clock?”
> And yet, we’re still here. Despite many, many, many close calls. Including the times when the US accidentally, almost, nuked the Carolinas. Twice. (that we know of.)
> Why?
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> All told, there have been 16 “close calls.” That we know of. The world has faced nuclear annihilation 16 times, and all 16 times, multiple people have refused to press the button despite (seeming) orders and procedures to the contrary.
> Their actions are not rational. These outcomes fly against the predictions of game theory. All actors involved understood the dominant strategy and why it was the best strategy, and they chose not to play it. They chose not to end the world.
> Dr. Thomas Schelling calls this “the event that didn’t occur,” and he devoted his Nobel prize lecture to the invalidation of von Neumann’s and game theory’s predictions by our 50+ years of applied experience.
Sources etc are in my essay, https://1517.substack.com/p/the-limits-of-game-theory https://1517.substack.com/p/the-limits-of-game-theory
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Essentially, every single time there has been an escalation, people who have to carry out the orders, people in the chain of command have refused to be the ones to end the world.
Tactical nukes are really bad as weapons. Nukes aren't a magic wand that can make an unwinnable war winnable. Freeman Dyson et al pointed this out in their report about the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the Vietnam war.
Getting a bigger bomb doesn't actually change the tactical situation on the ground. Sure you can make the thing go boom, but you still won't be able to hold the territory. And now the locals will resist you even harder.
If they could have won us a war, we'd have used them by now. But between the lack of desire to be the one who ends the world and their uselessness as day-to-day weapons. Nukes are, for the most part, a non-factor in modern conflict once it starts. Of course, their presence changes the calculus of whom a state should invade or not invade.
- King-Aaron 4y agoI personally think that this level of academic posturing on the subject is thrown out the window when the people in control of Russia (and by extension Belarus etc) are wholly unpredictable at the moment. I still think that the chances of Putin using a bomb are low, most academic circles also thought the chance of all out war in Ukraine were also low. A lot of this conflict isn't so much strategic logic as it is ego stroking.
- zzleeper 4y agoFor starters, the game theory discussion you are replying to seems deeply simplistic. Even if you win, you end up with a ruined planet (how many nukes would you need to neuter Russia?), are likely to end up in jail in your own country for doing so, and worst case scenario you fail to wipe out some nukes and then you are even more screwed. Now, about your point... given on the info he had, Putin thought he was able to rush Ukraine, obtain a fait accompli, and then the sanctions will stop. He didn't knew his army was so bad (dictator's bias and all that), and he cared about his image for posterity, not about the wellbeing of Russia itself. In that case, war was anything but unlikely. But about the bombs? What does Putin gain with a tactical nuke? a) It somehow fails during the flight, or fails to detonate = Humiliation b) Soldiers refuse to pull the trigger, he gets a rebellion. c) It explodes, he manages to wipe out 1-2 battalions at most, so it doesn't change the outcome of the war. OTOH, Russia becomes a pariah state and gets blockaded hard (potentially even by China/India), Ukraine gets every weapon they need, and they risk actual NATO intervention. None of the options improves his own outcomes, so I don't think nukes are as likely as news/reddit posts make it look like.
- 6510 4y agoI would define unpredictable as ideology with unknowable goals. Those in control of Russia seem to me extremely simple folk by comparison. They are of the infantile type who want to enrich themselves at the expense of others. We have these too, ours just haven't been able to implement the thought police formula. When one has that there is very little to do besides looking out for nr 1.
- hedora 4y agoAhh, but you're forgetting the most ludicrous idea from Dr Strangelove: The secret automatically retaliating doomsday machine. In the movie, the Russians kept it secret in order to improve its effectiveness as a deterrent. Of course, the USSR must have watched the film, because they secretly deployed exactly such a device!