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This is so great in theory, too bad if you can only install these via the AltStore and if you’re away from your Mac for 7 days the AltStore and all those apps s

This is so great in theory, too bad if you can only install these via the AltStore and if you’re away from your Mac for 7 days the AltStore and all those apps stop working.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago
There's no way to accept a developer's certificate and not have to give them your device UUID to install non-app store apps other than AltStore, right?
- wronglebowski 4y ago
  If it's open source you can compile and install from Xcode I believe but the 7 day limit still exists.
GeekyBear 4y ago
Personally, I don't feel like "your device has to connect to the same wifi network as your computer once a week" is going to be a problem for the vast majority of people. However, if you can't possibly live with that 7 day limitation, you can upgrade to a paid developer account, and only have to resign apps once a year.
- wronglebowski 4y ago
  I just think it’s ridiculous to have to pay a 100$ a year subscription to run whatever code I want on the devices I own.
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    Then live with the limitation of using a free developer account and having AltStore automate the seven day renewal process.
    - haswell 4y ago
      This is obviously the only option, but also sidesteps the point. The point being that I am not allowed to run code on a piece of hardware that I purchased and own. Yes, that’s the cost of buying into the Apple ecosystem. The point is that ecosystem is hostile to developers and tinkerers. (Not OP, but I share their sentiment).
      - GeekyBear 4y ago
        > This is obviously the only option Well, no. The free option is to install AltStore on your computer, and when your device connects to the same wifi network as your computer, the renewal process will be automated for you. For the vast majority of people, getting home at least once a week is a given. If you travel for work, I imagine your laptop goes with you.
        haswell 4y ago
        > Well, no. > The free option is to install AltStore... I'm confused. You've just re-stated what you already said. When I said "only option", I was referring to the fact that the only way to run my own code without spending $100/year is to jump through hoops that still result in scenarios where I can't travel without bringing my dev laptop with me (which is generally not the computer I travel with). > If you travel for work, I imagine your laptop goes with you. And if you're writing iOS/iPadOS code on a work laptop, presumably you've got a developer certificate. But again, this misses the point. That point being that I, as a tinkerer, cannot run my own code on my own device without bringing an App Store Server with me or spending $100/year. Yes, that's Apple's policy and that's well known. Doesn't mean anyone I have to like it or find it acceptable.
  - onethought 4y ago
    A device you own, but on software you license, and agree to their terms. Even OSS have licenses and warranties.
    - skohan 4y ago
      This is such a weird argument to me. Yes that's the legal framework we are living under, but I think it is pretty far from any intuitive sense of ownership. Software is quite strange in the way it allows something we own, and keep in our home, to be controlled in large part by some third party at a distance. For instance, imagine if you had a car such that the company which made it controlled where you could drive it to, and which stations you could stop at to buy gas. Would that make sense to anyone?
      - alwayslikethis 4y ago
        > which stations you could stop at to buy gas This is already happening to an extent with Tesla, though you can still charge it at home.
        Huh1337 4y ago
        Tesla gives you more options than others, not less. You can charge your Tesla at literally any charging station, you just need a compatibility plug. But it's not possible to charge non-Tesla cars at Superchargers.
      - onethought 4y ago
        Cars with different fuel types have been a thing for a while. EVs with different plug types are also a thing, with software even blocking use of adapters. Your example doesn’t seem to illustrate anything weird. (Unless you mean to say “everything is weird”)
        skohan 4y ago
        Different fuel types is categorically different. The fact that you can't run a petroleum engine on diesel is not a restriction placed on the car by the vendor, it's just physics. My example would be, what if your car refused to accept fuel at a given gas station because that station did not sign a licensing agreement with Honda? Or what if your car refused to drive to restaurants which were not approved by the manufacturer? I think we would all agree that would seem very strange indeed, and people would be livid. EV's with different plug types are a relatively new thing, using DRM for charging stations seems pretty weird if you ask me. It's a similar situation with BMW's move to lock heated seats behind a paywall as a software feature. A lot of people are quite livid about other industries trying to adopt these kinds of norms from software.
- AnnoyedComment 4y ago

This is so great in theory, too bad if you can only install these via the AltStore and if you’re away from your Mac for 7 days the AltStore and all those apps stop working.

MuffinFlavored 4y ago

There's no way to accept a developer's certificate and not have to give them your device UUID to install non-app store apps other than AltStore, right?

wronglebowski 4y ago
If it's open source you can compile and install from Xcode I believe but the 7 day limit still exists.

GeekyBear 4y ago

Personally, I don't feel like "your device has to connect to the same wifi network as your computer once a week" is going to be a problem for the vast majority of people. However, if you can't possibly live with that 7 day limitation, you can upgrade to a paid developer account, and only have to resign apps once a year.

wronglebowski 4y ago
I just think it’s ridiculous to have to pay a 100$ a year subscription to run whatever code I want on the devices I own.
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  Then live with the limitation of using a free developer account and having AltStore automate the seven day renewal process.
  - haswell 4y ago
    This is obviously the only option, but also sidesteps the point. The point being that I am not allowed to run code on a piece of hardware that I purchased and own. Yes, that’s the cost of buying into the Apple ecosystem. The point is that ecosystem is hostile to developers and tinkerers. (Not OP, but I share their sentiment).
    - GeekyBear 4y ago
      > This is obviously the only option Well, no. The free option is to install AltStore on your computer, and when your device connects to the same wifi network as your computer, the renewal process will be automated for you. For the vast majority of people, getting home at least once a week is a given. If you travel for work, I imagine your laptop goes with you.
      - haswell 4y ago
        > Well, no. > The free option is to install AltStore... I'm confused. You've just re-stated what you already said. When I said "only option", I was referring to the fact that the only way to run my own code without spending $100/year is to jump through hoops that still result in scenarios where I can't travel without bringing my dev laptop with me (which is generally not the computer I travel with). > If you travel for work, I imagine your laptop goes with you. And if you're writing iOS/iPadOS code on a work laptop, presumably you've got a developer certificate. But again, this misses the point. That point being that I, as a tinkerer, cannot run my own code on my own device without bringing an App Store Server with me or spending $100/year. Yes, that's Apple's policy and that's well known. Doesn't mean anyone I have to like it or find it acceptable.
- onethought 4y ago
  A device you own, but on software you license, and agree to their terms. Even OSS have licenses and warranties.
  - skohan 4y ago
    This is such a weird argument to me. Yes that's the legal framework we are living under, but I think it is pretty far from any intuitive sense of ownership. Software is quite strange in the way it allows something we own, and keep in our home, to be controlled in large part by some third party at a distance. For instance, imagine if you had a car such that the company which made it controlled where you could drive it to, and which stations you could stop at to buy gas. Would that make sense to anyone?
    - alwayslikethis 4y ago
      > which stations you could stop at to buy gas This is already happening to an extent with Tesla, though you can still charge it at home.
      - Huh1337 4y ago
        Tesla gives you more options than others, not less. You can charge your Tesla at literally any charging station, you just need a compatibility plug. But it's not possible to charge non-Tesla cars at Superchargers.
    - onethought 4y ago
      Cars with different fuel types have been a thing for a while. EVs with different plug types are also a thing, with software even blocking use of adapters. Your example doesn’t seem to illustrate anything weird. (Unless you mean to say “everything is weird”)
      - skohan 4y ago
        Different fuel types is categorically different. The fact that you can't run a petroleum engine on diesel is not a restriction placed on the car by the vendor, it's just physics. My example would be, what if your car refused to accept fuel at a given gas station because that station did not sign a licensing agreement with Honda? Or what if your car refused to drive to restaurants which were not approved by the manufacturer? I think we would all agree that would seem very strange indeed, and people would be livid. EV's with different plug types are a relatively new thing, using DRM for charging stations seems pretty weird if you ask me. It's a similar situation with BMW's move to lock heated seats behind a paywall as a software feature. A lot of people are quite livid about other industries trying to adopt these kinds of norms from software.
AnnoyedComment 4y ago