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I don't buy this at all. I used to live in Mexico and their native populations are very much alive, well, and fully a part of the national identity. The native

I don't buy this at all. I used to live in Mexico and their native populations are very much alive, well, and fully a part of the national identity. The native populations are much much larger and it's nearly impossible to go anywhere at all without seeing it. As soon as you cross into the US there's no trace to be found unless you go to very specific places. You'd have to believe that disease somehow stopped at the post Mexican American war borders.

CyanBird 4y ago
> I used to live in Mexico México is not the US grassland, different geography, different groups, and therefore different consequences as the populations were wiped out by disease, infighting and war Not to mention, simply because there still are a non trivial amount of indigenous groups, that doesn't mean that there didn't used to be even more variety that is now extinct
- mickdeek86 4y ago
  Have you heard of the Cocoliztli epidemics? Three massive waves of a still-unidentified disease resulting in 90+% depopulation of Mexica peoples in the 50 years following Spanish arrival. The reason there are native Mexica people (my own mitochondrial haplogroup is of the Aztec vintage, through my Mexican matrilineage) is because the Spaniards married (or, ahem, otherwise impregnated) native women. The chaste and Christian Anglo-Americans were virtuous enough to simply ethnically cleanse their Indigenous peoples. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#/media/File:Acuna-Soto_EID-v8n4p360_Fig1.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#/media/Fi...
  - imbnwa 4y ago
    One argument for the difference is that the Spanish were much more accustomed to ethno-cultural hybridization as the Reconquista had only ended right before 1492 or so
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CyanBird 4y ago

> I used to live in Mexico México is not the US grassland, different geography, different groups, and therefore different consequences as the populations were wiped out by disease, infighting and war Not to mention, simply because there still are a non trivial amount of indigenous groups, that doesn't mean that there didn't used to be even more variety that is now extinct

mickdeek86 4y ago
Have you heard of the Cocoliztli epidemics? Three massive waves of a still-unidentified disease resulting in 90+% depopulation of Mexica peoples in the 50 years following Spanish arrival. The reason there are native Mexica people (my own mitochondrial haplogroup is of the Aztec vintage, through my Mexican matrilineage) is because the Spaniards married (or, ahem, otherwise impregnated) native women. The chaste and Christian Anglo-Americans were virtuous enough to simply ethnically cleanse their Indigenous peoples. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#/media/File:Acuna-Soto_EID-v8n4p360_Fig1.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#/media/Fi...
- imbnwa 4y ago
  One argument for the difference is that the Spanish were much more accustomed to ethno-cultural hybridization as the Reconquista had only ended right before 1492 or so

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