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They just went ahead and sent us an invoice. Sales by extortion... so I made sure to replace our JRE in places (where Oracle snuck in) and uninstall anything el

They just went ahead and sent us an invoice. Sales by extortion... so I made sure to replace our JRE in places (where Oracle snuck in) and uninstall anything else Oracle across our fleet.

naikrovek 4y ago
yep, same. Oracle can die in a fire.
- birracerveza 4y ago
  Oracle MUST die in a fire.
  - msla 4y ago
    ōrāculum delenda est!
- pjmlp 4y ago
  And who would take their place moving Java forward? Since Sun went down, it hardly goes over 10% of external contributions, and no one else cared about getting hold of Java 6.
  - kabes 4y ago
    So both java and oracle die. Seems like a double win.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      I guess JetBrains should hurry up with Kotlin/Native then. Maybe Google or Amazon could come up with GoSpring as well.
      - mdaniel 4y ago
        A great deal of Spring is based on classpath scanning and reflection; I don't think any such thing as ServiceLoader exists in golang, and my experience with the golang reflection has been "this is clearly solving some other problem than the one I have"
        pjmlp 4y ago
        You underestimate the genius of enterprise and solution architects.
  - viraptor 4y ago
    > And who would take their place moving Java forward? Dotnet - it's already ahead, and the existing software can stay in the current Java version. (I'm joking (but not really))
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      I do .NET and Java for 20 years now, there are so many workloads where .NET still doesn't matter at all. Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution, after everything that happened with Sun's lawsuit?
      - viraptor 4y ago
        > Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution Because they have enough engineers to throw at any big environment where they can potentially expand in the future and having own distribution for an app layer lays foundations for new Azure services? (edit: checked after the response; first paragraph: "Java at Microsoft spans from Azure to Minecraft, across SQL Server to Visual Studio Code" - yeah, I think I got it)
        pjmlp 4y ago
        So .NET was born out of legal issues with Java, and those critical issues happen to be written in Java instead of .NET, by the company that created .NET in first place, so much for "Dotnet - it's already ahead..." And here are some examples where .NET is hardly ahead, it isn't even there. https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/ https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/ https://developer.cisco.com/site/jtapi/overview/ https://developer.cisco.com/site/jtapi/overview/ https://emea.ricoh-developer.com/about-us/membership/smart-membership-benefits/smartsdk-overview https://emea.ricoh-developer.com/about-us/membership/smart-m... https://www.microej.com/ https://www.microej.com/ Among other several use cases outside mainstream computing, there are many JVM vendors out there, in the similar vein as C and C++ ones. And naturally the elephant in the room, Android with its Android Java flavour, with Xamarin not really offering a good development experience, to the point Xamarin rants are quite easy to find on the interwebs (it remains to be seen if MAUI is any better).
  - gruturo 4y ago
    I'd wager external contributions are reflecting people's opinion of Oracle. I'd never contribute to something they own.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Yet they gladly profit from it. It is like all Sun freeloaders complaining about Oracle buying the company, while no one else bothered to get them out of trouble.
  - tezza 4y ago
    Amazon Corretto, Google… java and JVM run deep many big places
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    > And who would take their place moving Java forward? The fleet of companies who use Java extensively and care about it's future. Java has a huge ecosystem to put it lightly. Oracle is not the single point of failure.

They just went ahead and sent us an invoice. Sales by extortion... so I made sure to replace our JRE in places (where Oracle snuck in) and uninstall anything else Oracle across our fleet.

naikrovek 4y ago

yep, same. Oracle can die in a fire.

birracerveza 4y ago
Oracle MUST die in a fire.
- msla 4y ago
  ōrāculum delenda est!
pjmlp 4y ago
And who would take their place moving Java forward? Since Sun went down, it hardly goes over 10% of external contributions, and no one else cared about getting hold of Java 6.
- kabes 4y ago
  So both java and oracle die. Seems like a double win.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    I guess JetBrains should hurry up with Kotlin/Native then. Maybe Google or Amazon could come up with GoSpring as well.
    - mdaniel 4y ago
      A great deal of Spring is based on classpath scanning and reflection; I don't think any such thing as ServiceLoader exists in golang, and my experience with the golang reflection has been "this is clearly solving some other problem than the one I have"
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        You underestimate the genius of enterprise and solution architects.
- viraptor 4y ago
  > And who would take their place moving Java forward? Dotnet - it's already ahead, and the existing software can stay in the current Java version. (I'm joking (but not really))
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    I do .NET and Java for 20 years now, there are so many workloads where .NET still doesn't matter at all. Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution, after everything that happened with Sun's lawsuit?
    - viraptor 4y ago
      > Why do you think Microsoft is now back in Java land with their own distribution Because they have enough engineers to throw at any big environment where they can potentially expand in the future and having own distribution for an app layer lays foundations for new Azure services? (edit: checked after the response; first paragraph: "Java at Microsoft spans from Azure to Minecraft, across SQL Server to Visual Studio Code" - yeah, I think I got it)
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        So .NET was born out of legal issues with Java, and those critical issues happen to be written in Java instead of .NET, by the company that created .NET in first place, so much for "Dotnet - it's already ahead..." And here are some examples where .NET is hardly ahead, it isn't even there. https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/perc https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/ https://www.aicas.com/wp/products-services/jamaicavm/ https://developer.cisco.com/site/jtapi/overview/ https://developer.cisco.com/site/jtapi/overview/ https://emea.ricoh-developer.com/about-us/membership/smart-membership-benefits/smartsdk-overview https://emea.ricoh-developer.com/about-us/membership/smart-m... https://www.microej.com/ https://www.microej.com/ Among other several use cases outside mainstream computing, there are many JVM vendors out there, in the similar vein as C and C++ ones. And naturally the elephant in the room, Android with its Android Java flavour, with Xamarin not really offering a good development experience, to the point Xamarin rants are quite easy to find on the interwebs (it remains to be seen if MAUI is any better).
- gruturo 4y ago
  I'd wager external contributions are reflecting people's opinion of Oracle. I'd never contribute to something they own.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Yet they gladly profit from it. It is like all Sun freeloaders complaining about Oracle buying the company, while no one else bothered to get them out of trouble.
- tezza 4y ago
  Amazon Corretto, Google… java and JVM run deep many big places
- bayindirh 4y ago
  > And who would take their place moving Java forward? The fleet of companies who use Java extensively and care about it's future. Java has a huge ecosystem to put it lightly. Oracle is not the single point of failure.