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==I have to think its tiresome from their point of view to constantly be reminded that white people see them as other.== It’s interesting how you read DEI and

==I have to think its tiresome from their point of view to constantly be reminded that white people see them as other.== It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? If not, maybe you should. What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter.

wonderwonder 4y ago
The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history." "What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter." I am a father to 2 white optimally straight (downvote me if you like but I would prefer my kids be straight, if they are not then I love them the same) boys. I find the school systems and corporate worlds constant focus on the rights of everyone except them tiresome and worrisome. I live in Florida so going to vote for Desantis. I don't like him at all but I respect his stance on this. I am going to vote for him based on this single issue.
- sure_about_that 4y ago
  You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. It doesn’t only apply to black people. So you haven’t actually asked a black person if they are offended by it. It is in fact you who are offended by it. Makes much more sense. What exactly is DeSantis’s “stance on this”? I know he championed a bunch of laws on what teachers can do/say, and which books are acceptable to read (i.e. regulations). I’m a father to two white boys. The world seems to be treating them just fine. They don’t seem like victims, to me. [1] https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-credit-unions-to-include-diversity-as-the-eighth-co-operative-principle/#:~:text=Diversity%2C%20equality%20and%20inclusion%20will,credit%20unions%20across%20the%20country https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-cred...
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Of course its me that's offended by it, I don't think I was hiding it. With that said, I'm jewish, we've kind of had our own rough go of it. Good part of my family died in the holocaust and the Russian Pogroms. I had stones thrown at me as a child on 2 occasions because I was Jewish. In elementary school I had to sit outside in the open hallway rain or shine while the christian kids prayed (I'm not from America originally). I would never work for a company that singled Jews out beneficially and taught classes that said be polite to the Jews and don't discriminate against them. It means they are specifically saying I am different and that my coworkers are potentially anti-Semites. That's pretty awkward. Desantis' stance is essentially telling teachers don't talk about Gay/Trans issues in the classroom and don't teach in such a way as to make children of a specific race feel bad or guilty for being of that race. You can argue it goes further than this and perhaps it does but that's my main takeaway and the reason for my vote. I'll still vote Biden for president though. I'm leaning towards voting Dem for federal positions and Republican on a state level.
    - sure_about_that 4y ago
      My kids are also Jewish, from my wife’s side. It is interesting to hear the comments of people when they have no idea. Voting for split representation is a perfectly reasonable approach. I personally think DeSantis is pro-power, not pro-freedom. His stunt with asylum-seeking migrants is a great example. Also the fact that Florida doesn’t have things like legal weed, legal sports betting, legal abortion, and more.
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      - wonderwonder 4y ago
        I for the most part agree with all your points on Desantis. Medical marijuana in Florida is a joke, I'm pro legalization. Not a fan of gambling personally but to each their own. On a personal level I think he's a Jerk. So with all that said as someone in my 40s that has only voted Democrat before, the fact that I am voting for Desantis shows how concerned I am with the social engineering going on in the country.
LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
> It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Right, nobody said it did. That's the predominant content in the USA though so it's what's at issue here. Even you talk about it as if it does. > Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? "For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement. By contrast, if one is black and overcomes the barriers of Jim Crow, one can be assured that the accomplishment is real. Thomas often invokes the example of his grandparents, who, despite segregation, managed to acquire property and support their family. Though they 'had to work twice as hard to get half as far,' they knew, however far they got, that the distance was theirs. When black people succeed in the shadow of white benefactors, that certainty is lost." > If not, maybe you should. Indeed. > You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions. > What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? Laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people for "racial" reasons. We just want the laws to make it clear that all racism is racism, even anti-racism.
- sure_about_that 4y ago
  ==Even you talk about it as if it does.== No I did not. I echoed OP's comments and tried to follow their reasoning. =="For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement.....= How is this related to DEI? "As CUNA board chair, Smith had appointed a Diversity and Inclusion Ad Hoc Working Group and tasked its members with looking at the issue. In February, he wrote that their findings and his 40 years in the credit union movement told him the time had come to “officially recognize diversity and inclusion as part of the credit union philosophy.” ==Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.== It's not a secret. Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well. “Credit unions were established to serve specific – typically underserved – communities, making a place for those who had none. And today, our mission continues to be to provide opportunity and access for all." And the future community is one that will include more minorities. Almost all growth in the U.S. population is coming from Hispanics, blacks, Asians and other minorities. The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites will be a minority of those ages 18 to 28 by 2028, and a minority of the total U.S. population by 2045. “If we want to be more relevant to the communities we’re trying to serve, then focusing on becoming more diverse in our workforces really does matter,” Hansing said.” [1] [1] https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-to-be-eighth-principal/?slreturn=20220911195616 https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-t...

wonderwonder 4y ago

The article specifically mentions black people. " It’s a bit shocking that this is still an open question for the co-op movement, especially given that the national groups are just now starting to recognize the work done by African-Americans in co-ops throughout our country’s history." "What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? I’ve never heard of that type of one-issue voter." I am a father to 2 white optimally straight (downvote me if you like but I would prefer my kids be straight, if they are not then I love them the same) boys. I find the school systems and corporate worlds constant focus on the rights of everyone except them tiresome and worrisome. I live in Florida so going to vote for Desantis. I don't like him at all but I respect his stance on this. I am going to vote for him based on this single issue.

sure_about_that 4y ago
You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. It doesn’t only apply to black people. So you haven’t actually asked a black person if they are offended by it. It is in fact you who are offended by it. Makes much more sense. What exactly is DeSantis’s “stance on this”? I know he championed a bunch of laws on what teachers can do/say, and which books are acceptable to read (i.e. regulations). I’m a father to two white boys. The world seems to be treating them just fine. They don’t seem like victims, to me. [1] https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-credit-unions-to-include-diversity-as-the-eighth-co-operative-principle/#:~:text=Diversity%2C%20equality%20and%20inclusion%20will,credit%20unions%20across%20the%20country https://www.thenews.coop/142498/sector/credit-unions/us-cred...
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Of course its me that's offended by it, I don't think I was hiding it. With that said, I'm jewish, we've kind of had our own rough go of it. Good part of my family died in the holocaust and the Russian Pogroms. I had stones thrown at me as a child on 2 occasions because I was Jewish. In elementary school I had to sit outside in the open hallway rain or shine while the christian kids prayed (I'm not from America originally). I would never work for a company that singled Jews out beneficially and taught classes that said be polite to the Jews and don't discriminate against them. It means they are specifically saying I am different and that my coworkers are potentially anti-Semites. That's pretty awkward. Desantis' stance is essentially telling teachers don't talk about Gay/Trans issues in the classroom and don't teach in such a way as to make children of a specific race feel bad or guilty for being of that race. You can argue it goes further than this and perhaps it does but that's my main takeaway and the reason for my vote. I'll still vote Biden for president though. I'm leaning towards voting Dem for federal positions and Republican on a state level.
  - sure_about_that 4y ago
    My kids are also Jewish, from my wife’s side. It is interesting to hear the comments of people when they have no idea. Voting for split representation is a perfectly reasonable approach. I personally think DeSantis is pro-power, not pro-freedom. His stunt with asylum-seeking migrants is a great example. Also the fact that Florida doesn’t have things like legal weed, legal sports betting, legal abortion, and more.
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    - wonderwonder 4y ago
      I for the most part agree with all your points on Desantis. Medical marijuana in Florida is a joke, I'm pro legalization. Not a fan of gambling personally but to each their own. On a personal level I think he's a Jerk. So with all that said as someone in my 40s that has only voted Democrat before, the fact that I am voting for Desantis shows how concerned I am with the social engineering going on in the country.

LawTalkingGuy 4y ago

> It’s interesting how you read DEI and immediately think it only applies to black people. Right, nobody said it did. That's the predominant content in the USA though so it's what's at issue here. Even you talk about it as if it does. > Have you actually asked a black person what they think about it? If so, what did they say? "For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement. By contrast, if one is black and overcomes the barriers of Jim Crow, one can be assured that the accomplishment is real. Thomas often invokes the example of his grandparents, who, despite segregation, managed to acquire property and support their family. Though they 'had to work twice as hard to get half as far,' they knew, however far they got, that the distance was theirs. When black people succeed in the shadow of white benefactors, that certainty is lost." > If not, maybe you should. Indeed. > You asked why there was an eighth principle and that is because it was adopted by credit unions [1]. Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions. > What are the DEI policies that you support from the Republican candidate? Laws that make it illegal to discriminate against people for "racial" reasons. We just want the laws to make it clear that all racism is racism, even anti-racism.

sure_about_that 4y ago
==Even you talk about it as if it does.== No I did not. I echoed OP's comments and tried to follow their reasoning. =="For [Justice Thomas], white benevolence denies black people the pride of achievement.....= How is this related to DEI? "As CUNA board chair, Smith had appointed a Diversity and Inclusion Ad Hoc Working Group and tasked its members with looking at the issue. In February, he wrote that their findings and his 40 years in the credit union movement told him the time had come to “officially recognize diversity and inclusion as part of the credit union philosophy.” ==Right, but why? The other principles are things that define credit unions.== It's not a secret. Credit Unions (and co-ops) also employ people, so it makes sens from that angle, as well. “Credit unions were established to serve specific – typically underserved – communities, making a place for those who had none. And today, our mission continues to be to provide opportunity and access for all." And the future community is one that will include more minorities. Almost all growth in the U.S. population is coming from Hispanics, blacks, Asians and other minorities. The Census Bureau forecasts that non-Hispanic whites will be a minority of those ages 18 to 28 by 2028, and a minority of the total U.S. population by 2045. “If we want to be more relevant to the communities we’re trying to serve, then focusing on becoming more diverse in our workforces really does matter,” Hansing said.” [1] [1] https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-to-be-eighth-principal/?slreturn=20220911195616 https://www.cutimes.com/2019/10/11/diversity-and-inclusion-t...