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> You mean they are “inescapable” because people used their own free will to choose them? I didn't authorize facebook to create an account for me, but they mad

> You mean they are “inescapable” because people used their own free will to choose them? I didn't authorize facebook to create an account for me, but they made one for me in secret anyway and they buy data from data brokers to fill my dossier with details of my life. Facebook isn't giving me a better experience when they track my internet browsing and app usage. I don't "choose by my own free will" to make government websites send my data to Google by including trackers in their pages, but I still have to use those sites to get the data they provide and the services they offer. Lots of people could use a Pine phone, but cannot afford one and the last time I checked into pine phones the "better experience" in that case would have meant "Can actually be used to place a phone call". What kind of alternative is a phone that couldn't place calls? They've likely fixed that issue by now, but let's not pretend that all choices are remotely equivalent or accessible. If there's no comparable alternative to something it's extremely disingenuous to suggest that people must love it, or that they are making a deliberate choice to use it. Often there is no choice that doesn't involve upending your entire life or cutting yourself off from society. For example, I could quit my job, leave my entire career behind, and endanger the health and safety of my family to try to find some entry level job in another industry that wouldn't make me use a Microsoft product, but if I'm not willing to do that does that mean I choose to use Windows of my own free will? At what point does "give up everything and endanger the people you love or else keep using Windows" start feeling less like a choice freely made and a lot more like someone putting a gun to your head? Sometimes a "choice" isn't much of a choice at all, and in the case of using Google or Facebook you have no choice since they are impossible to avoid in today's society.

scarface74 4y ago
You can block Google analytics and the fact that your family chose Facebook doesn’t mean you have to anymore than I have to go to a family reunion when the rest of my family chose to go there. Facebook didn’t force your family to use it anymore than they forced them to go to a city you didn’t want to go to for the reunion. > For example, I could quit my job, leave my entire career behind, and endanger the health and safety of my family to try to find some entry level job in another industry that wouldn't make me use a Microsoft product, but if I'm not willing to do that does that mean I choose to use Windows of my own free will? There are millions of other people who chose a different career path. There are also developers who never have to use an MS product. I’m sorry you were forced to choose a career where you get to sit in front of a computer everyday probably making a lot more than people in a factory.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > You can block Google analytics You can't block googleapis or reCAPTCHA and still have the site function properly. > Facebook didn’t force your family to use it But I still don't get to opt out of having an facebook account, or opt out facebook collecting my personal data, or opt out of them using it for whatever they want. > I’m sorry you were forced to choose a career where you get to sit in front of a computer everyday probably making a lot more than people in a factory. I'm not saying it's all bad, or that it couldn't be worse, I'm just saying you don't always get a choice in things and often the "choices" you have are false choices or forced choices.

scarface74 4y ago

You can block Google analytics and the fact that your family chose Facebook doesn’t mean you have to anymore than I have to go to a family reunion when the rest of my family chose to go there. Facebook didn’t force your family to use it anymore than they forced them to go to a city you didn’t want to go to for the reunion. > For example, I could quit my job, leave my entire career behind, and endanger the health and safety of my family to try to find some entry level job in another industry that wouldn't make me use a Microsoft product, but if I'm not willing to do that does that mean I choose to use Windows of my own free will? There are millions of other people who chose a different career path. There are also developers who never have to use an MS product. I’m sorry you were forced to choose a career where you get to sit in front of a computer everyday probably making a lot more than people in a factory.

autoexec 4y ago
> You can block Google analytics You can't block googleapis or reCAPTCHA and still have the site function properly. > Facebook didn’t force your family to use it But I still don't get to opt out of having an facebook account, or opt out facebook collecting my personal data, or opt out of them using it for whatever they want. > I’m sorry you were forced to choose a career where you get to sit in front of a computer everyday probably making a lot more than people in a factory. I'm not saying it's all bad, or that it couldn't be worse, I'm just saying you don't always get a choice in things and often the "choices" you have are false choices or forced choices.