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Nope. It's not a technical issue. Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the

Nope. It's not a technical issue. Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the app store. Apple has no use for an ipad that is open - the pure purpose for that device is to buy/download/install apps and media via itunes/music app, app store, and partner applications (locked down so all purchases must go through the apple app store) If you want an ipad that is open, buy a macbook air.

p1necone 4y ago
The twofaced advertising really bothers me - they promote the iPad pro as if it's a "pro" laptop/desktop replacement, but it's clearly just designed for the same use cases as any other iPad/Android tablet.
- nkingsy 4y ago
  But I play buttery smooth COD mobile on an M1 iPad while waiting for builds, so thats more or less professional.
- dagmx 4y ago
  “Pro” really depends on what market you’re speaking to which is where your comparison falls apart. Large, HDR and color accurate screen is very important to a lot of content creators for example, and coupled with the Apple Pencil+apps like procreate or shapr3d, there’s a significant number of professionals who make use of the hardware that the Pro offers that other tablets or devices in the iPad range cannot. Yes the Air has the pencil but not the screen, while the regular iPad has the older pencil which is significantly behind the current gen.
- musictubes 4y ago
  Music making on the iPad is amazing. Now you can use the same VST on the iPad and Mac (Apple Silicon). Moog just re-released their Minimoog app for both. The iPad Pro is certainly capable of professional music work, at least for performance.
  - jmmcd 4y ago
    What app are you using for that? I was surprised to see Logic isn't available on iPad.
- olliej 4y ago
  That’s entirely dependent on what “pro” you’re talking about. I suspect many professional artists don’t need the stuff that a MacBook has (ie macos) but like having a low latency touchscreen and stylus. Similarly I suspect most professional software developers don’t need a touchscreen (or accompanying stylus). You can say that you think these should be a single device, but saying that because they’re not invalidates the “pro” claim because neither device can do everything isn’t reasonable. For example, many pro designers could probably say the MacBook “pro” is not pro as it doesn’t have a low latency touch screen. Or that some behemoth PC is not a professional workstation because it doesn’t have said touchscreen. Hopefully that alternative view helps demonstrate why you’re “it’s not pro” claim isn’t really valid. This is of course also ignoring the generically vague definition of what “pro” even means.
GeekyBear 4y ago
> Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the app store. The limitation is that you can't execute code you download off of random sites on the internet. The amount of Android malware that relies on the ability to download random code and execute it is massive. >One of the keys to Joker’s success is its roundabout way of attack. The apps are knockoffs of legitimate apps and, when downloaded from Play or a different market, contain no malicious code other than a “dropper.” After a delay of hours or even days, the dropper, which is heavily obfuscated and contains just a few lines of code, downloads a malicious component and drops it into the app https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker-the-malware-that-signs-you-up-for-pricey-services-floods-android-markets/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker... As they mention, this family of Android malware has been around forever, yet it still shows up regularly in the Play Store. >Known as Joker, this family of malicious apps has been attacking Android users since late 2016 and more recently has become one of the most common Android threats.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  On the iPad, you don't even need the App Store as a vector to install malware. As long as your iCloud account is syncing iMessage, you're susceptible to the same exploit chains that Pegasus used months ago (and presumably future encoder bugs, despite Apple's sandboxing efforts). Using malware as an excuse to stop sideloading is a scare tactic. It's this generation's terrorism scare, but malware still grips both systems all the same. Apple can keep their current defaults, but being forced to jump through a bajillion hoops just to install gimped software is a disservice to the iPad as a device. Even Microsoft is willing to let you run Linux on their tablets. All of this is not to say that Apple will unlock the iPad. It's the right thing to do, but since when has Apple erred on the side of customer freedom?
  - GeekyBear 4y ago
    >malware still grips both systems all the same The amount of malware that regularly shows up in the Google Play Store is so large that tech sites have taken to warning users to be careful what they install from inside Google's walled garden. >With malicious apps infiltrating Play on a regular, often weekly, basis, there’s currently little indication the malicious Android app scourge will be abated. That means it’s up to individual end users to steer clear of apps like Joker. The best advice is to be extremely conservative in the apps that get installed in the first place. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker-the-malware-that-signs-you-up-for-pricey-services-floods-android-markets/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker... It's not that it's never happened in Apple's App Store, but it's certainly not something that happens on a weekly basis. As that article points out, an Android apps ability to download code from random locations on the internet, install it and then execute it is a big source of the problem.

p1necone 4y ago

The twofaced advertising really bothers me - they promote the iPad pro as if it's a "pro" laptop/desktop replacement, but it's clearly just designed for the same use cases as any other iPad/Android tablet.

nkingsy 4y ago
But I play buttery smooth COD mobile on an M1 iPad while waiting for builds, so thats more or less professional.
dagmx 4y ago
“Pro” really depends on what market you’re speaking to which is where your comparison falls apart. Large, HDR and color accurate screen is very important to a lot of content creators for example, and coupled with the Apple Pencil+apps like procreate or shapr3d, there’s a significant number of professionals who make use of the hardware that the Pro offers that other tablets or devices in the iPad range cannot. Yes the Air has the pencil but not the screen, while the regular iPad has the older pencil which is significantly behind the current gen.
musictubes 4y ago
Music making on the iPad is amazing. Now you can use the same VST on the iPad and Mac (Apple Silicon). Moog just re-released their Minimoog app for both. The iPad Pro is certainly capable of professional music work, at least for performance.
- jmmcd 4y ago
  What app are you using for that? I was surprised to see Logic isn't available on iPad.
olliej 4y ago
That’s entirely dependent on what “pro” you’re talking about. I suspect many professional artists don’t need the stuff that a MacBook has (ie macos) but like having a low latency touchscreen and stylus. Similarly I suspect most professional software developers don’t need a touchscreen (or accompanying stylus). You can say that you think these should be a single device, but saying that because they’re not invalidates the “pro” claim because neither device can do everything isn’t reasonable. For example, many pro designers could probably say the MacBook “pro” is not pro as it doesn’t have a low latency touch screen. Or that some behemoth PC is not a professional workstation because it doesn’t have said touchscreen. Hopefully that alternative view helps demonstrate why you’re “it’s not pro” claim isn’t really valid. This is of course also ignoring the generically vague definition of what “pro” even means.

GeekyBear 4y ago

> Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the app store. The limitation is that you can't execute code you download off of random sites on the internet. The amount of Android malware that relies on the ability to download random code and execute it is massive. >One of the keys to Joker’s success is its roundabout way of attack. The apps are knockoffs of legitimate apps and, when downloaded from Play or a different market, contain no malicious code other than a “dropper.” After a delay of hours or even days, the dropper, which is heavily obfuscated and contains just a few lines of code, downloads a malicious component and drops it into the app https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker-the-malware-that-signs-you-up-for-pricey-services-floods-android-markets/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker... As they mention, this family of Android malware has been around forever, yet it still shows up regularly in the Play Store. >Known as Joker, this family of malicious apps has been attacking Android users since late 2016 and more recently has become one of the most common Android threats.

smoldesu 4y ago
On the iPad, you don't even need the App Store as a vector to install malware. As long as your iCloud account is syncing iMessage, you're susceptible to the same exploit chains that Pegasus used months ago (and presumably future encoder bugs, despite Apple's sandboxing efforts). Using malware as an excuse to stop sideloading is a scare tactic. It's this generation's terrorism scare, but malware still grips both systems all the same. Apple can keep their current defaults, but being forced to jump through a bajillion hoops just to install gimped software is a disservice to the iPad as a device. Even Microsoft is willing to let you run Linux on their tablets. All of this is not to say that Apple will unlock the iPad. It's the right thing to do, but since when has Apple erred on the side of customer freedom?
- GeekyBear 4y ago
  >malware still grips both systems all the same The amount of malware that regularly shows up in the Google Play Store is so large that tech sites have taken to warning users to be careful what they install from inside Google's walled garden. >With malicious apps infiltrating Play on a regular, often weekly, basis, there’s currently little indication the malicious Android app scourge will be abated. That means it’s up to individual end users to steer clear of apps like Joker. The best advice is to be extremely conservative in the apps that get installed in the first place. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker-the-malware-that-signs-you-up-for-pricey-services-floods-android-markets/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/joker... It's not that it's never happened in Apple's App Store, but it's certainly not something that happens on a weekly basis. As that article points out, an Android apps ability to download code from random locations on the internet, install it and then execute it is a big source of the problem.