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Does anyone actually think this is endorsement? At this point Google is the 2022 version of 1998 Microsoft. Big, slow, and dumb. We all know we're getting fucke

Does anyone actually think this is endorsement? At this point Google is the 2022 version of 1998 Microsoft. Big, slow, and dumb. We all know we're getting fucked by them yet not hard enough to quit yet. Soon.

JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
Could we even quit? I tried to use Proton Mail and all my emails on a brand new account, even to my own gmail, went to spam. :(
- colordrops 4y ago
  Hmm, I'm using Proton Mail with a personal domain and it's working fine.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  Like Printing, Email is becoming less and less important. In my personal life I almost never use email for communication, it is prominent in business for now but even that is shifting
- djkoolaide 4y ago
  I know it's "shilled" here all the time, but I've had zero issues with Fastmail.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  Fastmail works well
- mysterypie 4y ago
  In same vein some e-commerce sites and payment processors secretly distrust commercial email services and don't tell you that they've blacklisted your email provider. You go to make a car or flight reservation, enter all kinds of info including your credit card, and then bam, it says "Oops, something went wrong, try again later". Or an e-commerce site asks you to enter your email and they'll send you a confirmation code, but the confirmation email never comes. I've determined by experiment--using a different IP but a Gmail email address--that a frequent cause is a secret bias against commercial email services. It's particularly infuriating because I think a commercial email user with a paid account is a much lower fraud risk than a free Gmail user.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Are you using a personal domain or one of theirs? If it’s a personal domain, make sure you have all of the DNS records set properly to make spam filters happy. If it’s one of their domains, not sure, but I’d guess their free accounts originate a bunch of garbage due to the nature of their service.
  - JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
    Just their domain. I don't believe for a second that protonmail generates more spam than gmail.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      Yeah, definitely not in total volume, but proportionally I suspect it’s a good amount. Not because PM is bad but because gmail is ubiquitously mainstream. I mean, there’s some reason you’re being sent to spam. And it’s not anything about PM’s configuration, they use solid defaults that should make default spam filters happy.
      - JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
        I mean I think the reason is that gmail doesn’t want people to use “other” providers. I’ve never even gotten a spam email from someone using Proton Mail. It’s always people that are very serious about privacy and always a human.
RockingGoodNite 4y ago
I remember 1998 Microsoft like yesterday. Google past or present is no 1998 Microsoft in terms of badness.
- bcardarella 4y ago
  You're right, Google is much worse.
- shimon 4y ago
  No company today has the level of consolidated power over the computing industry that Microsoft had in the 1990s. It's actually hard to imagine now, when the situation even at the very top of the industry is so much more competitive. It's almost like saying "Donald Trump's presidency was just like Josef Stalin". Sure, there are bad things but if you seriously look at what was going on, there was just a whole different level of badness.
FateOfNations 4y ago
> Does anyone actually think this is endorsement? Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. They needed 150k email-only licences to bridge until they can replace contract they buy the rest of their Office 365 licenses on. Google showed up with an bid they couldn't refuse. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a loss-leader for Google (or an "investment", as we call in the defense business).

JohnJamesRambo 4y ago

Could we even quit? I tried to use Proton Mail and all my emails on a brand new account, even to my own gmail, went to spam. :(

colordrops 4y ago
Hmm, I'm using Proton Mail with a personal domain and it's working fine.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Like Printing, Email is becoming less and less important. In my personal life I almost never use email for communication, it is prominent in business for now but even that is shifting
djkoolaide 4y ago
I know it's "shilled" here all the time, but I've had zero issues with Fastmail.
nicoburns 4y ago
Fastmail works well
mysterypie 4y ago
In same vein some e-commerce sites and payment processors secretly distrust commercial email services and don't tell you that they've blacklisted your email provider. You go to make a car or flight reservation, enter all kinds of info including your credit card, and then bam, it says "Oops, something went wrong, try again later". Or an e-commerce site asks you to enter your email and they'll send you a confirmation code, but the confirmation email never comes. I've determined by experiment--using a different IP but a Gmail email address--that a frequent cause is a secret bias against commercial email services. It's particularly infuriating because I think a commercial email user with a paid account is a much lower fraud risk than a free Gmail user.
kube-system 4y ago
Are you using a personal domain or one of theirs? If it’s a personal domain, make sure you have all of the DNS records set properly to make spam filters happy. If it’s one of their domains, not sure, but I’d guess their free accounts originate a bunch of garbage due to the nature of their service.
- JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
  Just their domain. I don't believe for a second that protonmail generates more spam than gmail.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    Yeah, definitely not in total volume, but proportionally I suspect it’s a good amount. Not because PM is bad but because gmail is ubiquitously mainstream. I mean, there’s some reason you’re being sent to spam. And it’s not anything about PM’s configuration, they use solid defaults that should make default spam filters happy.
    - JohnJamesRambo 4y ago
      I mean I think the reason is that gmail doesn’t want people to use “other” providers. I’ve never even gotten a spam email from someone using Proton Mail. It’s always people that are very serious about privacy and always a human.

RockingGoodNite 4y ago

I remember 1998 Microsoft like yesterday. Google past or present is no 1998 Microsoft in terms of badness.

bcardarella 4y ago
You're right, Google is much worse.
shimon 4y ago
No company today has the level of consolidated power over the computing industry that Microsoft had in the 1990s. It's actually hard to imagine now, when the situation even at the very top of the industry is so much more competitive. It's almost like saying "Donald Trump's presidency was just like Josef Stalin". Sure, there are bad things but if you seriously look at what was going on, there was just a whole different level of badness.

FateOfNations 4y ago

> Does anyone actually think this is endorsement? Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. They needed 150k email-only licences to bridge until they can replace contract they buy the rest of their Office 365 licenses on. Google showed up with an bid they couldn't refuse. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a loss-leader for Google (or an "investment", as we call in the defense business).