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I wonder how much of the work on getting it to run on M1 macbooks is transferable to the iPad Pro (which also uses the M1 chip).

monocasa 4y ago
You'd need an exploit as the bootloader isn't opened.
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- nicoburns 4y ago
  I wonder if Apple might one day open this. They’ve solved the technical problem of doing this without compromising security on the M1 MacBooks, so there’s really no reason not to.
  - warning26 4y ago
    > They’ve solved the technical problem of doing this without compromising security on the M1 MacBooks, so there’s really no reason not to. You could say the same thing about sideloading apps and running web-browsers-that-aren't-Safari; both of those are "solved" on the Mac side, but I would bet that unless the EU forces them, Apple will never allow either of those things on iOS.
    - joak 4y ago
      Exactly. Without good ad blockers (ie ublock origin) and other nice extensions (ie I dont mind about cookies) it is hard to browse/search the web efficiently. For this reason alone an ipad pro is limited in scope.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      I don't think you can. Both of those are security issues on the mac side. I don't think those issues justify locking down iOS devices, but they are security issues. On the other hand, different OS's on Apple Silicon devices are isolated from each other using full disk encryption and the SecureEnclave. Unless there's a hardware exploit, the only thing a linux OS could do to a partition containing an iOS/macOS volume is delete it.
  - barkingcat 4y ago
    Nope. It's not a technical issue. Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the app store. Apple has no use for an ipad that is open - the pure purpose for that device is to buy/download/install apps and media via itunes/music app, app store, and partner applications (locked down so all purchases must go through the apple app store) If you want an ipad that is open, buy a macbook air.
    - p1necone 4y ago
      The twofaced advertising really bothers me - they promote the iPad pro as if it's a "pro" laptop/desktop replacement, but it's clearly just designed for the same use cases as any other iPad/Android tablet.
      - nkingsy 4y ago
        But I play buttery smooth COD mobile on an M1 iPad while waiting for builds, so thats more or less professional.
      - dagmx 4y ago
        “Pro” really depends on what market you’re speaking to which is where your comparison falls apart. Large, HDR and color accurate screen is very important to a lot of content creators for example, and coupled with the Apple Pencil+apps like procreate or shapr3d, there’s a significant number of professionals who make use of the hardware that the Pro offers that other tablets or devices in the iPad range cannot. Yes the Air has the pencil but not the screen, while the regular iPad has the older pencil which is significantly behind the current gen.
      - musictubes 4y ago
        Music making on the iPad is amazing. Now you can use the same VST on the iPad and Mac (Apple Silicon). Moog just re-released their Minimoog app for both. The iPad Pro is certainly capable of professional music work, at least for performance.
        4y ago
  - oneplane 4y ago
    It's more a policy issue than a technical issue. But security-wise, malware on macOS is definitely not a solved problem. There are very real differences between the pervasiveness of iOS (and iPadOS) exploits and on macOS. As for reasoning: anything that costs money to do but doesn't get you any money in return is a reason not to do it. This can obviously be a direct effect or side effect: - If it is easy to run iPad apps on an iPad without paying for them, an entire sales channel is going to make a whole lot less (this isn't as much about the availability of free apps, but about the single pipeline for end-users) - If someone at Apple needs to work on supporting boot loader selection menus and recovery modes etc. that's someone who needs to get paid, and it's going to take a whole lot of iPad sales to cover that expense; when looking at other devices and markets, most of their life they run whatever software they came with and get trashed with that same software and replaced; no post-market OS involved - Perspective; some people might feel like their status symbolism is attacked if a device gets additional users, even if very few, that don't match their perceived user base - Legal might want to try and make the devices keep their appliance-like status, instead of turning them into general purpose computing devices; this is pretty similar to consoles and stuff like network equipment; most of them are general purpose computers with some job-specific add ons, you could run all sort of deviating tasks on them The only reason I might find reasonable is the end-user tunnel vision. As soon as a device gets some form of multiple personality disorder that makes a lot of things harder for everyone on the supporting side (including that family member that everyone always asks for help with their computer gets a BSOD, but also the helpdesk, in-store support, documentation etc.). It's also pretty easy to socially engineer someone into compromising their own devices, and that is a bad thing with bad results. We can't expect everyone to be capable and able to make informed decisions and know how their stuff works. A jailed experience on an appliance-like device yields far better results in that scenario. Ironically, this also puts a very big additional load on apple to get this 'as right as possible' when all the tools they sell must work consistently, all day, every day. For the end user, but also for business use. If some special function needs to be made available, and Apple is the only one who can enable that, they will feel that heat if it's something requested or standardised often enough. Take CAC support; if there is a sector that simply won't be able to use the product without it, Apple will have to make a choice; implement it and make money from significant sales, or don't, and miss all those sales.
nicoburns 4y ago
Quite a bit I would have thought. The GPU at least will be identical.
rowanG077 4y ago
Probably all of it. There are some special things like the touch screen but the architecture is mostly the same. The hard part is cracking the bootloader. Which afaik hasn't happened for any modern ipad.

monocasa 4y ago

You'd need an exploit as the bootloader isn't opened.

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nicoburns 4y ago
I wonder if Apple might one day open this. They’ve solved the technical problem of doing this without compromising security on the M1 MacBooks, so there’s really no reason not to.
- warning26 4y ago
  > They’ve solved the technical problem of doing this without compromising security on the M1 MacBooks, so there’s really no reason not to. You could say the same thing about sideloading apps and running web-browsers-that-aren't-Safari; both of those are "solved" on the Mac side, but I would bet that unless the EU forces them, Apple will never allow either of those things on iOS.
  - joak 4y ago
    Exactly. Without good ad blockers (ie ublock origin) and other nice extensions (ie I dont mind about cookies) it is hard to browse/search the web efficiently. For this reason alone an ipad pro is limited in scope.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    I don't think you can. Both of those are security issues on the mac side. I don't think those issues justify locking down iOS devices, but they are security issues. On the other hand, different OS's on Apple Silicon devices are isolated from each other using full disk encryption and the SecureEnclave. Unless there's a hardware exploit, the only thing a linux OS could do to a partition containing an iOS/macOS volume is delete it.
- barkingcat 4y ago
  Nope. It's not a technical issue. Apple will never open up the ipad because that's not what it's for. It's for media consumption and running paid apps via the app store. Apple has no use for an ipad that is open - the pure purpose for that device is to buy/download/install apps and media via itunes/music app, app store, and partner applications (locked down so all purchases must go through the apple app store) If you want an ipad that is open, buy a macbook air.
  - p1necone 4y ago
    The twofaced advertising really bothers me - they promote the iPad pro as if it's a "pro" laptop/desktop replacement, but it's clearly just designed for the same use cases as any other iPad/Android tablet.
    - nkingsy 4y ago
      But I play buttery smooth COD mobile on an M1 iPad while waiting for builds, so thats more or less professional.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      “Pro” really depends on what market you’re speaking to which is where your comparison falls apart. Large, HDR and color accurate screen is very important to a lot of content creators for example, and coupled with the Apple Pencil+apps like procreate or shapr3d, there’s a significant number of professionals who make use of the hardware that the Pro offers that other tablets or devices in the iPad range cannot. Yes the Air has the pencil but not the screen, while the regular iPad has the older pencil which is significantly behind the current gen.
    - musictubes 4y ago
      Music making on the iPad is amazing. Now you can use the same VST on the iPad and Mac (Apple Silicon). Moog just re-released their Minimoog app for both. The iPad Pro is certainly capable of professional music work, at least for performance.
      - 4y ago
- oneplane 4y ago
  It's more a policy issue than a technical issue. But security-wise, malware on macOS is definitely not a solved problem. There are very real differences between the pervasiveness of iOS (and iPadOS) exploits and on macOS. As for reasoning: anything that costs money to do but doesn't get you any money in return is a reason not to do it. This can obviously be a direct effect or side effect: - If it is easy to run iPad apps on an iPad without paying for them, an entire sales channel is going to make a whole lot less (this isn't as much about the availability of free apps, but about the single pipeline for end-users) - If someone at Apple needs to work on supporting boot loader selection menus and recovery modes etc. that's someone who needs to get paid, and it's going to take a whole lot of iPad sales to cover that expense; when looking at other devices and markets, most of their life they run whatever software they came with and get trashed with that same software and replaced; no post-market OS involved - Perspective; some people might feel like their status symbolism is attacked if a device gets additional users, even if very few, that don't match their perceived user base - Legal might want to try and make the devices keep their appliance-like status, instead of turning them into general purpose computing devices; this is pretty similar to consoles and stuff like network equipment; most of them are general purpose computers with some job-specific add ons, you could run all sort of deviating tasks on them The only reason I might find reasonable is the end-user tunnel vision. As soon as a device gets some form of multiple personality disorder that makes a lot of things harder for everyone on the supporting side (including that family member that everyone always asks for help with their computer gets a BSOD, but also the helpdesk, in-store support, documentation etc.). It's also pretty easy to socially engineer someone into compromising their own devices, and that is a bad thing with bad results. We can't expect everyone to be capable and able to make informed decisions and know how their stuff works. A jailed experience on an appliance-like device yields far better results in that scenario. Ironically, this also puts a very big additional load on apple to get this 'as right as possible' when all the tools they sell must work consistently, all day, every day. For the end user, but also for business use. If some special function needs to be made available, and Apple is the only one who can enable that, they will feel that heat if it's something requested or standardised often enough. Take CAC support; if there is a sector that simply won't be able to use the product without it, Apple will have to make a choice; implement it and make money from significant sales, or don't, and miss all those sales.

nicoburns 4y ago

Quite a bit I would have thought. The GPU at least will be identical.

rowanG077 4y ago

Probably all of it. There are some special things like the touch screen but the architecture is mostly the same. The hard part is cracking the bootloader. Which afaik hasn't happened for any modern ipad.