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This feels like being a passenger in a speeding car while the driver appears to be starting to lose control.

by riskneutral 4y ago

gdy 4y ago
In Russia it feels like being a passenger in a hijacked plane flying towards tall buildings.
- karamanolev 4y ago
  Does it, within Russia? Are you saying that as a person within Russia or an external observer? I feel like externally, the west feels like Russia is headed to certain doom, but a majority of Russians feels like they'll be fine and they're sticking it to the colonial west.
  - timeon 4y ago
    > colonial west Russian war in Ukraine is about regaining control of former colony. They lost lot of them in eastern Europe but still have some in Asia.
    - gdy 4y ago
      It's a bit more complicated than that. Half of Novorossiya (New Russia) was taken from Turkey and Crimean Khanate by Russian soldiers and later that almost unpopulated land was settled by many ethnicities, but mostly by Ukrainians and Russians. [0] When Russian Empire collapsed in 1917 this territory became Ukrainian on the basis of predominantly Ukrainian population even though the city population was mostly Russian and Jewish. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Universal_of_the_Ukrainian_Central_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Universal_of_the_Ukraini...
    - altfredd 4y ago
      > regaining control of former colony This is an oversimplification... How many countries have built nuclear power plants and missile assembly lines in their colonies?
      - cuteboy19 4y ago
        The British built a sizable chunk of the indian railways. In fact to this day there are plenty of British era bridges that survive whereas modern ones crumble within 20 years. Surely you don't imply that the British were not colonizers?
        gdy 4y ago
        Railways have strategic importance for the military. Think of the Roman empire building roads.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        "It's not a colony if you build infrastructure in it" seems like the sort of oversimplification you're complaining about. The USSR certainly didn't plan to lose Ukraine.
        gdy 4y ago
        Unlike colonies which West always planned to lose?
  - gdy 4y ago
    I'm Russian living in Russia and it feels like that since 2/24. Now almost 90% are concerned about the events in the Ukraine [0]. Personally, in February I was concerned about loss of lives, mostly Ukrainian, political repressions and Russian economy, today the economy looks okeyish, but with all the Western help to the Ukraine, it looks like it's only the question of time when Putin turns to tactical nukes. [0] https://www.levada.ru/2022/09/29/konflikt-s-ukrainoj-sentyabr-2022-goda/ https://www.levada.ru/2022/09/29/konflikt-s-ukrainoj-sentyab...
    - rnk 4y ago
      If he uses a nuke, even a small tactical nuke, nato and the US will respond with overwhelming conventional forces, destroying some significant Russian military assets. The world will be on a precipice of doom. I don't see how it will stop. Russia is too weak, their only response is more nukes, and then it's over for all of us.
      - revolutukr 4y ago
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      - californical 4y ago
        NATO and the US will likely not respond if Putin uses a small nuke in Ukraine. There’s too much to lose. They’ll just let it happen, as they should. Which is obviously terrible and devastating for Ukrainians, but probably best for the rest of the world. Hopefully other Russian leaders are aware of the risk though, and would actively disobey Putin if he gave the call to use nukes
        _kbh_ 4y ago
        > NATO and the US will likely not respond if Putin uses a small nuke in Ukraine. There’s too much to lose. They’ll just let it happen, as they should. Which is obviously terrible and devastating for Ukrainians, but probably best for the rest of the world. It's actually the opposite, everyone should be hoping that someone delivers a devastating strike against the Russians for using any size of nuke in Ukraine. Unless you want to live in a world where every country is actively trying to get nuclear weapons you should as well. Any lacklustre response to a use of a nuke will lead to nuclear proliferation going wild as every country in the world looks to actively acquire nuclear weapons for defence.

This feels like being a passenger in a speeding car while the driver appears to be starting to lose control.

gdy 4y ago

In Russia it feels like being a passenger in a hijacked plane flying towards tall buildings.

karamanolev 4y ago
Does it, within Russia? Are you saying that as a person within Russia or an external observer? I feel like externally, the west feels like Russia is headed to certain doom, but a majority of Russians feels like they'll be fine and they're sticking it to the colonial west.
- timeon 4y ago
  > colonial west Russian war in Ukraine is about regaining control of former colony. They lost lot of them in eastern Europe but still have some in Asia.
  - gdy 4y ago
    It's a bit more complicated than that. Half of Novorossiya (New Russia) was taken from Turkey and Crimean Khanate by Russian soldiers and later that almost unpopulated land was settled by many ethnicities, but mostly by Ukrainians and Russians. [0] When Russian Empire collapsed in 1917 this territory became Ukrainian on the basis of predominantly Ukrainian population even though the city population was mostly Russian and Jewish. [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Universal_of_the_Ukrainian_Central_Council https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Universal_of_the_Ukraini...
  - altfredd 4y ago
    > regaining control of former colony This is an oversimplification... How many countries have built nuclear power plants and missile assembly lines in their colonies?
    - cuteboy19 4y ago
      The British built a sizable chunk of the indian railways. In fact to this day there are plenty of British era bridges that survive whereas modern ones crumble within 20 years. Surely you don't imply that the British were not colonizers?
      - gdy 4y ago
        Railways have strategic importance for the military. Think of the Roman empire building roads.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      "It's not a colony if you build infrastructure in it" seems like the sort of oversimplification you're complaining about. The USSR certainly didn't plan to lose Ukraine.
      - gdy 4y ago
        Unlike colonies which West always planned to lose?
- gdy 4y ago
  I'm Russian living in Russia and it feels like that since 2/24. Now almost 90% are concerned about the events in the Ukraine [0]. Personally, in February I was concerned about loss of lives, mostly Ukrainian, political repressions and Russian economy, today the economy looks okeyish, but with all the Western help to the Ukraine, it looks like it's only the question of time when Putin turns to tactical nukes. [0] https://www.levada.ru/2022/09/29/konflikt-s-ukrainoj-sentyabr-2022-goda/ https://www.levada.ru/2022/09/29/konflikt-s-ukrainoj-sentyab...
  - rnk 4y ago
    If he uses a nuke, even a small tactical nuke, nato and the US will respond with overwhelming conventional forces, destroying some significant Russian military assets. The world will be on a precipice of doom. I don't see how it will stop. Russia is too weak, their only response is more nukes, and then it's over for all of us.
    - revolutukr 4y ago
      [dead]
    - californical 4y ago
      NATO and the US will likely not respond if Putin uses a small nuke in Ukraine. There’s too much to lose. They’ll just let it happen, as they should. Which is obviously terrible and devastating for Ukrainians, but probably best for the rest of the world. Hopefully other Russian leaders are aware of the risk though, and would actively disobey Putin if he gave the call to use nukes
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > NATO and the US will likely not respond if Putin uses a small nuke in Ukraine. There’s too much to lose. They’ll just let it happen, as they should. Which is obviously terrible and devastating for Ukrainians, but probably best for the rest of the world. It's actually the opposite, everyone should be hoping that someone delivers a devastating strike against the Russians for using any size of nuke in Ukraine. Unless you want to live in a world where every country is actively trying to get nuclear weapons you should as well. Any lacklustre response to a use of a nuke will lead to nuclear proliferation going wild as every country in the world looks to actively acquire nuclear weapons for defence.