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I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point, some commercial project adopts a part of Serenity and turns it into a huge hit, even outside of tech. Such things ha

I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point, some commercial project adopts a part of Serenity and turns it into a huge hit, even outside of tech. Such things have definitely happened in the past.. Not many (average) people have heard of KDE or its web engine, KHTML, but almost everybody these days uses Chrome, which, through Apple's WebKit, is descended from KHTML itself. Serenity uses its own libraries everywhere, to the point of replacing C++'s std with their own library, AK, which might make stripping it for parts more difficult, but it's certainly not unimaginable. If Serenity's web engine gets good enough, I can even imagine some EU government sponsoring an independent competitor to the Google / Apple browser duopoly.

varajelle 4y ago
Fun fact: Andreas contributed to KHTML https://github.com/KDE/khtml/blob/41057a9a8e491b72c8296bf5ed6c094f9238dc5b/src/ChangeLog#L485 https://github.com/KDE/khtml/blob/41057a9a8e491b72c8296bf5ed...
- aeyes 4y ago
  I think he worked on the browser at Nokia before Apple took over.
  - colonelxc 4y ago
    Didn't he also work on webkit at Apple?
    - saagarjha 4y ago
      Yes.
    - NVI 4y ago
      Yes. In fact, he was one of the most prolific WebKit contributors.
cardanome 4y ago
Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to keep the tech monopolists out. It is a huge problem that a certain tech monopolist controls the most popular browser in the world and a shame that this browser was build using the free labor of naive volunteer contributors that just wanted to help out an open source project. Linux would have never been so successful and kept being a free operating system without its GPL license. And even that turned out to be not enough protection, as the user-hostile Android system proves.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  > Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to stop this scenario from happening. Huh? You wish SerenityOS's browser engine was not a viable competitor to the Google/Apple browser duopoly? Kind of a weird POV, if you ask me.
  - cardanome 4y ago
    I am saying it can only be a viable (user-freedom respecting) alternative to the browsers of the tech monopolists if it enforces copy-left and manages to keep the greedy hands of these and other monopolists out if it.
  - andrepd 4y ago
    How on earth is that what you extract from that sentence??
    - jbirer 4y ago
      Putting words in his mouth to try to save his argument.
KerrAvon 4y ago
They’d have to use something that wasn’t a weird proprietary language that only cross compiles to C++ (!) for that to be a thing. Whether they like C++ or not, no one’s going to want that generated C++ output as a basis for source code, and you’re not going to use the weird single source compiler either.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Only because they aren't a big name company with weight to arm strength developers into using their language on their platforms.
Grazester 4y ago
"If Serenity's web engine gets good enough, I can even imagine some EU government sponsoring an independent competitor to the Google / Apple browser duopoly." ...and what is wrong with Mozilla? Why can't they contribute to FireFox?
- spookie 4y ago
  It's sponsored by Google and USA based.

varajelle 4y ago

Fun fact: Andreas contributed to KHTML https://github.com/KDE/khtml/blob/41057a9a8e491b72c8296bf5ed6c094f9238dc5b/src/ChangeLog#L485 https://github.com/KDE/khtml/blob/41057a9a8e491b72c8296bf5ed...

aeyes 4y ago
I think he worked on the browser at Nokia before Apple took over.
- colonelxc 4y ago
  Didn't he also work on webkit at Apple?
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    Yes.
  - NVI 4y ago
    Yes. In fact, he was one of the most prolific WebKit contributors.

cardanome 4y ago

Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to keep the tech monopolists out. It is a huge problem that a certain tech monopolist controls the most popular browser in the world and a shame that this browser was build using the free labor of naive volunteer contributors that just wanted to help out an open source project. Linux would have never been so successful and kept being a free operating system without its GPL license. And even that turned out to be not enough protection, as the user-hostile Android system proves.

zozbot234 4y ago
> Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to stop this scenario from happening. Huh? You wish SerenityOS's browser engine was not a viable competitor to the Google/Apple browser duopoly? Kind of a weird POV, if you ask me.
- cardanome 4y ago
  I am saying it can only be a viable (user-freedom respecting) alternative to the browsers of the tech monopolists if it enforces copy-left and manages to keep the greedy hands of these and other monopolists out if it.
- andrepd 4y ago
  How on earth is that what you extract from that sentence??
  - jbirer 4y ago
    Putting words in his mouth to try to save his argument.

KerrAvon 4y ago

They’d have to use something that wasn’t a weird proprietary language that only cross compiles to C++ (!) for that to be a thing. Whether they like C++ or not, no one’s going to want that generated C++ output as a basis for source code, and you’re not going to use the weird single source compiler either.

pjmlp 4y ago
Only because they aren't a big name company with weight to arm strength developers into using their language on their platforms.

Grazester 4y ago

"If Serenity's web engine gets good enough, I can even imagine some EU government sponsoring an independent competitor to the Google / Apple browser duopoly." ...and what is wrong with Mozilla? Why can't they contribute to FireFox?

spookie 4y ago
It's sponsored by Google and USA based.