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I didn't use those cases as examples because they are not incitements. They could be construed as attempts at good faith debates. If someone says that most tran

I didn't use those cases as examples because they are not incitements. They could be construed as attempts at good faith debates. If someone says that most trans kids desist for instance, I'd point them at a study [1] that shows otherwise and we can go from there. The cases I'm talking about are quite different. For example spreading false rumors that children's hospitals are giving sex changes to young children and saying that "somebody needs to put a stop to these evil monsters mutilating children" [2][3] is definitely incitement. Calling teachers that mention the fact that they are in a gay marriage "groomers" which implies that they are child molesters is also incitement. That's not good faith debate. It's smearing people in the hopes that someone will harm them. 1. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirected?nfToken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e20210... > We found that an average of 5 years after their initial social transition, 7.3% of youth had retransitioned at least once. At the end of this period, most youth identified as binary transgender youth (94%), including 1.3% who retransitioned to another identity before returning to their binary transgender identity. A total of 2.5% of youth identified as cisgender and 3.5% as nonbinary. Later cisgender identities were more common among youth whose initial social transition occurred before age 6 years; their retransitions often occurred before age 10 years. 2. https://tennesseestar.com/2022/10/03/matt-walsh-announces-rally-to-end-child-mutilation-at-the-tennessee-state-capitol/ https://tennesseestar.com/2022/10/03/matt-walsh-announces-ra... 3. https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/03/28/gubernatorial-says-trans-people-need-to-be-killed-by-firing-squad/ https://www.losangelesblade.com/2022/03/28/gubernatorial-say...

strken 4y ago
That's really the point, though. To help us understand what you're arguing for, you need to give real examples of things you disagree with and that make you uncomfortable (e.g. desisting) that are nevertheless acceptable speech, and things which cross the line and aren't acceptable. You didn't give us examples from either side of the line to show us where the line is, you gave one example that's totally fine ("X is a jerk" isn't going to get anyone arrested in the US) and one that's a direct incitement to violence. The examples are miles apart and the line could be anywhere between them. The Matt Walsh example doesn't really help either. If I said "someone needs to put a stop to these evil monsters pumping carbon into the atmosphere" in the context of protesting a new coal mine, pretty much everyone would understand there was an implied "...by turning up to my legal protest next Tuesday and waving some placards around" on the end. Saying the owners needed to be lined up and shot may or may not be incitement, but again that's a pretty extreme example, and it still doesn't look simple.

strken 4y ago

That's really the point, though. To help us understand what you're arguing for, you need to give real examples of things you disagree with and that make you uncomfortable (e.g. desisting) that are nevertheless acceptable speech, and things which cross the line and aren't acceptable. You didn't give us examples from either side of the line to show us where the line is, you gave one example that's totally fine ("X is a jerk" isn't going to get anyone arrested in the US) and one that's a direct incitement to violence. The examples are miles apart and the line could be anywhere between them. The Matt Walsh example doesn't really help either. If I said "someone needs to put a stop to these evil monsters pumping carbon into the atmosphere" in the context of protesting a new coal mine, pretty much everyone would understand there was an implied "...by turning up to my legal protest next Tuesday and waving some placards around" on the end. Saying the owners needed to be lined up and shot may or may not be incitement, but again that's a pretty extreme example, and it still doesn't look simple.