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I think it’s that most people are doomers and/or are defeated by doomerism. Most people think it’s impossible to build an OS or a web browser (and are told thi

I think it’s that most people are doomers and/or are defeated by doomerism. Most people think it’s impossible to build an OS or a web browser (and are told this when they ask for help building one.) In reality engineering is straightforward, you just need someone to show you how to properly write data structures and algorithms and to break problems down. Andreas showed these kids this, reinvigorating the web based hacker culture I grew up in. Anything is possible and even if a problem ends up being more than you can handle at least you learned a ton along the way. Now days searching for how to code leads you to a ton of tutorials about gluing modules together. I feel sorry for young people with that thirst who won’t be satisfied thanks to the commoditization of learning to code.

systemvoltage 4y ago
One of the comments on Kling’s YT stream read: “Wish we could go back to 2004. Modern web has become toxic af” which embodies the spirit of this community pretty well I think. Andreas Kling is the messiah that is leading a group of people that are fed up with modernity.
- phist_mcgee 4y ago
  Ironically, by using modern tools.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    I think revisiting vintage technologies with better modern tools = Win. It takes advantage of sharp hindsight and correct what was bad, and more importantly keep what worked.
  - jbirer 4y ago
    Modern tools are good, but the culture around it is pretty toxic, and in my own opinion, cringy. 10 years ago you would get booed for saying things like "Unused RAM is wasted ram, so let's build this in Electron". I am happy to see a pushback.
    - saagarjha 4y ago
      “Unused RAM is wasted RAM” is only relevant if you’re writing an OS.
      - int_19h 4y ago
        It's also relevant if you're writing software that's intended to be run side by side with other software.
        saagarjha 4y ago
        It's relevant in the sense that you should not be using that as your guiding principle, yes.
      - account42 4y ago
        Do any operating systems have an API for cache-only memory that the OS is free to discard at will? Maybe there should be because the other end of the spectrum is unneccessarily loading the same things over and over again even though there is lots of excess memory available. Many games are guilty of this, not really taking advantage of overspecced systems.
        saagarjha 4y ago
        Most OSes will have this but it's difficult to use as a general API. The main use case is "I freed these pages and will not use them anymore, save on the bookeeping". Anything beyond that is a little dicey because if the OS does reclaim the pages you'll take a fault trying to hit the cache, which can be bad if it happens at an inopportune time. And properly signaling this to applications is hard (SIGSEGV is not a very ergonomic interface).
        trashburger 4y ago
        Actually, Serenity has this, called "purgeable memory". You map your memory in a special way, and have to re-map it to use it. If the system needs more memory, it purges those pages, making it possible to use it as a cache :^)

systemvoltage 4y ago

One of the comments on Kling’s YT stream read: “Wish we could go back to 2004. Modern web has become toxic af” which embodies the spirit of this community pretty well I think. Andreas Kling is the messiah that is leading a group of people that are fed up with modernity.

phist_mcgee 4y ago
Ironically, by using modern tools.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  I think revisiting vintage technologies with better modern tools = Win. It takes advantage of sharp hindsight and correct what was bad, and more importantly keep what worked.
- jbirer 4y ago
  Modern tools are good, but the culture around it is pretty toxic, and in my own opinion, cringy. 10 years ago you would get booed for saying things like "Unused RAM is wasted ram, so let's build this in Electron". I am happy to see a pushback.
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    “Unused RAM is wasted RAM” is only relevant if you’re writing an OS.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      It's also relevant if you're writing software that's intended to be run side by side with other software.
      - saagarjha 4y ago
        It's relevant in the sense that you should not be using that as your guiding principle, yes.
    - account42 4y ago
      Do any operating systems have an API for cache-only memory that the OS is free to discard at will? Maybe there should be because the other end of the spectrum is unneccessarily loading the same things over and over again even though there is lots of excess memory available. Many games are guilty of this, not really taking advantage of overspecced systems.
      - saagarjha 4y ago
        Most OSes will have this but it's difficult to use as a general API. The main use case is "I freed these pages and will not use them anymore, save on the bookeeping". Anything beyond that is a little dicey because if the OS does reclaim the pages you'll take a fault trying to hit the cache, which can be bad if it happens at an inopportune time. And properly signaling this to applications is hard (SIGSEGV is not a very ergonomic interface).
      - trashburger 4y ago
        Actually, Serenity has this, called "purgeable memory". You map your memory in a special way, and have to re-map it to use it. If the system needs more memory, it purges those pages, making it possible to use it as a cache :^)