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> it's an argument that many other professions aren't actually benefiting from licensing Citations? edit: I found this “The effectiveness of licensing” [1], w

> it's an argument that many other professions aren't actually benefiting from licensing Citations? edit: I found this “The effectiveness of licensing” [1], which suggests replacing licensing with mandatory registration programs (or suggestions of improvements for licensing boards). I’d be curious to see any research that advocates for removal of licensing without the addition of something else. [1] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01044517 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01044517

phpisthebest 4y ago
Most recent is the news coming out of FL where they are arresting qualified licensed roofers who just happen to have the licenses in another state other than Florida for daring to try to help people repair their roofs after a hurricane [1]. They are not claiming he was scamming people, door poor work, or anything other than not paying the fee and kissing the ring of the local economic protection guild AKA licensing board Combination of this there are several licensed FL contractors currently being investigated for Fraud because they promised Homeowers work they never delivered. The Trades are FULL of licensed scam artists Building Contractors are by far the best example I could give. Personally I do not want to get to a situation where my Open Source Code is downloaded by someone in say California and the next thing I know I am being arrested for "Developing with out a license" Hell if there was a License requirement for development when I was a teen I likely would have never learned how to develop code in the first place, I though HN was all about equality seems odd you would promote blocking out people and only allowing in the elite. Here is your $25 pi to learn to code on, but if you want to release your code you must first pay thousands of dollars and get approval from the code guild.... No thanks [1]https://nbc-2.com/news/local/charlotte-county/2022/10/08/roofing-contractor-arrested-in-charlotte-county/ https://nbc-2.com/news/local/charlotte-county/2022/10/08/roo...
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
  > Hell if there was a License requirement for development when I was a teen I likely would have never learned how to develop code in the first place There are cadres of people that struggle through medical licensing just for the chance to make less money than an unlicensed software engineer. I can only imagine that licensing (or some functionally equivalent regulatory mechanism) would boost the quality of the labor pool. > I though HN was all about equality seems odd you would promote blocking out people and only allowing in the elite. You may not be aware of this, but there are a wide variety of ways for people to get into STEM or medicine without being an elite. Heck, there’s billboards showcasing the non-elites being given free access to Harvard training. > The Trades are FULL of licensed scam artists Take a look at that research article that I linked in my parent comment. It identifies some suggestions for how to fix the situation by switching to a mandatory registration program, instead of licenses, or how to fix the licensing boards so that they properly punish incompetence or other professional failings.
WalterBright 4y ago
> Citations? Frech's "Competition & Monopoly in Medical Care" says the original motivation for licensing doctors was driving the Jewish and Black doctors out of the profession. https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Frech/ https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Fre... Today, the motivation is to restrict the number of physicians in order to increase their pay.
- 9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
  That appears to be a broken link to some publication by a political punditry organization and not peer-reviewed research. I don’t find that to be interesting, sorry.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Sorry, copy/paste mistake with the url. Corrected: https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Frech/dp/0844738840/ https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Fre...

phpisthebest 4y ago

Most recent is the news coming out of FL where they are arresting qualified licensed roofers who just happen to have the licenses in another state other than Florida for daring to try to help people repair their roofs after a hurricane [1]. They are not claiming he was scamming people, door poor work, or anything other than not paying the fee and kissing the ring of the local economic protection guild AKA licensing board Combination of this there are several licensed FL contractors currently being investigated for Fraud because they promised Homeowers work they never delivered. The Trades are FULL of licensed scam artists Building Contractors are by far the best example I could give. Personally I do not want to get to a situation where my Open Source Code is downloaded by someone in say California and the next thing I know I am being arrested for "Developing with out a license" Hell if there was a License requirement for development when I was a teen I likely would have never learned how to develop code in the first place, I though HN was all about equality seems odd you would promote blocking out people and only allowing in the elite. Here is your $25 pi to learn to code on, but if you want to release your code you must first pay thousands of dollars and get approval from the code guild.... No thanks [1]https://nbc-2.com/news/local/charlotte-county/2022/10/08/roofing-contractor-arrested-in-charlotte-county/ https://nbc-2.com/news/local/charlotte-county/2022/10/08/roo...

9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
> Hell if there was a License requirement for development when I was a teen I likely would have never learned how to develop code in the first place There are cadres of people that struggle through medical licensing just for the chance to make less money than an unlicensed software engineer. I can only imagine that licensing (or some functionally equivalent regulatory mechanism) would boost the quality of the labor pool. > I though HN was all about equality seems odd you would promote blocking out people and only allowing in the elite. You may not be aware of this, but there are a wide variety of ways for people to get into STEM or medicine without being an elite. Heck, there’s billboards showcasing the non-elites being given free access to Harvard training. > The Trades are FULL of licensed scam artists Take a look at that research article that I linked in my parent comment. It identifies some suggestions for how to fix the situation by switching to a mandatory registration program, instead of licenses, or how to fix the licensing boards so that they properly punish incompetence or other professional failings.

WalterBright 4y ago

> Citations? Frech's "Competition & Monopoly in Medical Care" says the original motivation for licensing doctors was driving the Jewish and Black doctors out of the profession. https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Frech/ https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Fre... Today, the motivation is to restrict the number of physicians in order to increase their pay.

9wzYQbTYsAIc 4y ago
That appears to be a broken link to some publication by a political punditry organization and not peer-reviewed research. I don’t find that to be interesting, sorry.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Sorry, copy/paste mistake with the url. Corrected: https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Frech/dp/0844738840/ https://www.amazon.com/Competition-Monopoly-Medical-Care-Fre...