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I don't think that not traveling to Saudi Arabia will effect them at all. It's never really been a tourist destination unless you count Muslims on the haj. If y

I don't think that not traveling to Saudi Arabia will effect them at all. It's never really been a tourist destination unless you count Muslims on the haj. If you really want to protest then stop using oil. Sure most oil sold in the US isn't from SA, but if we started using a lot less of the stuff prices would go down and that would effect SA.

newsclues 4y ago
If we stop buying oil, if you want to hurt the Saudis, we also need to convince everyone else (China) to buy the oil. If you want to replace oil, make the alternative undeniably CHEAPER.
- lambdasquirrel 4y ago
  Why the sudden China bashing? China has more EV uptake than the U.S., in fact they pretty much invented the electric micro-car as a market, because of the density of their cities. The reality is that U.S. is more dependent on oil than any other major industrialized economy. We consume more than the EU, and we consume almost as much as Asia, despite being some small fraction of that continent's population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consu... The Saudis just flipped us off. We should get off of oil.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  But if you don't want to hurt the other oil exporters, and just hurt SA, THERE IS NO way to do that
  - fragmede 4y ago
    just put a global tax on oil from SA
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      That's not an option for most people
    - tiagod 4y ago
      "Just" get the whole world to agree on something. Should be easy, right?
einpoklum 4y ago
I'd say if you really want to protest them, then petition the US government to... 1. Stop selling KSA and UAE weapons. 2. Reduce or cancel sanctions sanctioning on Iran, Syria and Lebanon (regimes the KSA has tried to undermine). 3. Make public arguments against the Saudi occupation of Bahrain. 4. Yemen: 4.1 Arrange a weapons embargo on KSA while their Yemen campaign continue 4.2 Ensure safe passage to naval and air vessels to Yemen 4.3 Send some humanitarian aid to Yemen (they need it at least as much, and probably more, than Ukraine) 4.4 Recognize the Houthi grievances in Yemen and support peace talks and a federated resolution of the Yemeni civil war. 5. Join the ICC and sue MBS' ass for chopping up Jamal Khasokgi. (Ok, the US will never do that, it has too much culpability of its own.)
- fakedang 4y ago
  You're wrong on a number of points: 1.) While the UAE and Qatar were initially in the Saudi camp at the start of the war, they have both since left the field - Qatar because their plan was a token response from the start, and the UAE because of significant casualties (and a petition from the mother of a slain soldier). 2.) Iran is currently beating up and killing their own population for protesting. Syria used chemical gas against their own population for protesting. Lebanon is basically Iran's little Mediterranean bitch. You would like us to unsanction these regimes?? 3.) Saudi Arabia hasn't been occupying Bahrain - KSA and the UAE "monitor" it on behalf of the Emir of Bahrain. A better way to rephrase this would be: force the Emir out and let the people of Bahrain decide for themselves. 4.) Yes, the West should embargo the Saudis on weapon sales. Not that it would affect them much since they'll just buy from Russia and China, but that is the moral path. 5.) Ask the Houthis for safe naval and air passage in Yemen. They're the ones causing disruptions in the area. 6.) Any humanitarian aid to Yemen somehow ends up with the Houthis. 7.) Houthis don't have any "grievances". Yemen has been divided between a Sunni half and a Shia half since the start of Islam. For the most part historically, Yemen was largely Sunni-dominated. It's only recently that the Houthis are able to put up a fight, and that's largely due to Iranian support and funding. 9.) Leaving the Houthis alone will only let Iran's theocracy impose their own puppet in the area. That is not something the world needs. 10.) Sure, sue MBS, but that's just opening a whole other can of worms. Like it or not, Iran is just as bad as Saudi Arabia. Both countries rely on a modus operandi of training terrorists and spreading them abroad to cause chaos and fear, and ultimately acquiescence. On that front, Saudi Arabia is still a better ally, since most of the Gulf monarchies have come to the realization that supporting religious fundamentalists abroad has been a retarded thing to do because they'll return to fuck up their monarchical systems later on.

newsclues 4y ago

If we stop buying oil, if you want to hurt the Saudis, we also need to convince everyone else (China) to buy the oil. If you want to replace oil, make the alternative undeniably CHEAPER.

lambdasquirrel 4y ago
Why the sudden China bashing? China has more EV uptake than the U.S., in fact they pretty much invented the electric micro-car as a market, because of the density of their cities. The reality is that U.S. is more dependent on oil than any other major industrialized economy. We consume more than the EU, and we consume almost as much as Asia, despite being some small fraction of that continent's population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consu... The Saudis just flipped us off. We should get off of oil.
nashashmi 4y ago
But if you don't want to hurt the other oil exporters, and just hurt SA, THERE IS NO way to do that
- fragmede 4y ago
  just put a global tax on oil from SA
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    That's not an option for most people
  - tiagod 4y ago
    "Just" get the whole world to agree on something. Should be easy, right?

einpoklum 4y ago

I'd say if you really want to protest them, then petition the US government to... 1. Stop selling KSA and UAE weapons. 2. Reduce or cancel sanctions sanctioning on Iran, Syria and Lebanon (regimes the KSA has tried to undermine). 3. Make public arguments against the Saudi occupation of Bahrain. 4. Yemen: 4.1 Arrange a weapons embargo on KSA while their Yemen campaign continue 4.2 Ensure safe passage to naval and air vessels to Yemen 4.3 Send some humanitarian aid to Yemen (they need it at least as much, and probably more, than Ukraine) 4.4 Recognize the Houthi grievances in Yemen and support peace talks and a federated resolution of the Yemeni civil war. 5. Join the ICC and sue MBS' ass for chopping up Jamal Khasokgi. (Ok, the US will never do that, it has too much culpability of its own.)

fakedang 4y ago
You're wrong on a number of points: 1.) While the UAE and Qatar were initially in the Saudi camp at the start of the war, they have both since left the field - Qatar because their plan was a token response from the start, and the UAE because of significant casualties (and a petition from the mother of a slain soldier). 2.) Iran is currently beating up and killing their own population for protesting. Syria used chemical gas against their own population for protesting. Lebanon is basically Iran's little Mediterranean bitch. You would like us to unsanction these regimes?? 3.) Saudi Arabia hasn't been occupying Bahrain - KSA and the UAE "monitor" it on behalf of the Emir of Bahrain. A better way to rephrase this would be: force the Emir out and let the people of Bahrain decide for themselves. 4.) Yes, the West should embargo the Saudis on weapon sales. Not that it would affect them much since they'll just buy from Russia and China, but that is the moral path. 5.) Ask the Houthis for safe naval and air passage in Yemen. They're the ones causing disruptions in the area. 6.) Any humanitarian aid to Yemen somehow ends up with the Houthis. 7.) Houthis don't have any "grievances". Yemen has been divided between a Sunni half and a Shia half since the start of Islam. For the most part historically, Yemen was largely Sunni-dominated. It's only recently that the Houthis are able to put up a fight, and that's largely due to Iranian support and funding. 9.) Leaving the Houthis alone will only let Iran's theocracy impose their own puppet in the area. That is not something the world needs. 10.) Sure, sue MBS, but that's just opening a whole other can of worms. Like it or not, Iran is just as bad as Saudi Arabia. Both countries rely on a modus operandi of training terrorists and spreading them abroad to cause chaos and fear, and ultimately acquiescence. On that front, Saudi Arabia is still a better ally, since most of the Gulf monarchies have come to the realization that supporting religious fundamentalists abroad has been a retarded thing to do because they'll return to fuck up their monarchical systems later on.