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Trotting out the paradox of tolerance isn't an auto-win for pro-censorship "anti-facism" arguments. Imagine, one day, one of your own beliefs becomes lumped un
by asfarley 4y ago
Trotting out the paradox of tolerance isn't an auto-win for pro-censorship "anti-facism" arguments.
Imagine, one day, one of your own beliefs becomes lumped under the umbrella of facism. Imagine that you disagree with this categorization, but nonetheless, the categorization is made.
How would you feel about someone telling you about the paradox of tolerance in this case? Don't you think it's a bit more complicated than this?
- swivelmaster 4y agoYes it’s more complicated, obviously, but OP was implying that any censorship at all equates to hypocritical intolerance, which is a simplistic absolutist position.
- falcolas 4y agoThis (that is, PayPal's TOS fines) isn't censorship. It's punishment for deeds that PayPal may hand down on a whim.
- sieabahlpark 4y ago
- bergenty 4y agoI’m willing to take the chance with slightly eager censorship than rampant fascism. It’s a literal no brainer and it’s disingenuous for you to ignore that.
- swivelmaster 4y agoYes, exactly, thank you. Framing every mention of the paradox of intolerance as some kind of slippery slope to totalitarianism isn't constructive or realistic, and basically misses the point of it being called a paradox in the first place.
- jimlongton 4y ago> rampant fascism Honest question - do Americans really believe fascism is increasing? By most (all?) metrics Western societies are radically more tolerant on racial, LGBT and religious issues than even 2 decades ago.
- swivelmaster 4y agoThis isn't the only way to measure it, and IMO not appropriate right now. The real problem is the balance of political opinion taken as a whole; The percentage of the population that holds what one might call far-right fascist views seem to be higher than it's been in the last 50 years if you assume that voters' views are more or less aligned with the politicians they vote for. Assuming that just because Things Are Okay Now that there's no problem is exactly how we got Trump elected in 2016, and why Italy, Brazil, and the Philippines have all elected far-right or outright fascist leaders since then as well. Also consider that Republicans have been perfecting a legal minority rule for decades via gerrymandering, court-packing, closing polling locations, enacting (unnecessarily) stricter voting requirements, and focusing on winning states with disproportionate federal representation by population count, and are now proposing state-wide abortion bans, taking over school boards to ban books and alter health and science curricula, and more. This is all to say that even though the majority of Americans ARE far more tolerant than they were before, the fascists or fascist-adjacent contingent have been not only been growing, but have been amassing power at a rate disproportionate to their size.
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- inawarminister 4y agoWhat kind of fascism? The one where corporations run rampant in alliance with the state? Why, sounds like what's going on here.
- bergenty 4y agoNo just regular right wing fascism with majority rule and violence and disenfranchisement of minorities.
- inawarminister 4y agoI see, compared to left wing fascism with majority rule of violence and disenfranchisement of class minorities. Thank you, I will update my fascism definition card.
- swivelmaster 4y agoClass minorities? You mean the super rich?
- inawarminister 4y agoNot just the super rich as Pol Pot and Lenin showed...
- nathanaldensr 4y agoNice false dichotomy.