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People aren't stupid. If a PC company came out and charged premium prices but gave you the best quality PC's with a well engineered interfaces and hardware, it

People aren't stupid. If a PC company came out and charged premium prices but gave you the best quality PC's with a well engineered interfaces and hardware, it would do just fine. But almost all PC vendors produce bottom of the barrel half ass crap consumer grade computers with terrible QC, that will start falling apart in a few years. Even the big name brands like Dell and HP who could do better.... prefer shipping a crap product to reduce the bottom line. And word gets around. Every single dell xps I had failed via hardware after a couple years. I have Mac's that are still going after a decade. We should be thankful that Mac exists to show us what's possible with a computer...or we would be at the mercy of these terrible computer manufacturer monopolies and thier crap consumer machines.

Emanation 4y ago
I closed the lid on my 4yo Mac and stuck it in a drawyer 3months ago. I guarantee I could go open it and vscode and Firefox will be just how I left it after it wakes
- melling 4y ago
  I still use a 2013 Mac Book Pro daily. Unfortunately Apple no longer allows the OS to be upgraded and I can no longer upgrade Xcode so soon I’ll have to retire it. The trick was to get 16GB in 2013.
  - jakemauer 4y ago
    Take a look at the OpenCore project’s legacy patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ The trash can might have a little more life left in it yet.
  - thangngoc89 4y ago
    I’ve been using 2012 Macbook Pro and reluctantly upgraded to MacOS 10.15 last week because new updates of almost every apps I have been using doesn’t support 10.14 anymore. I think that I can continue using this laptop for at least a year.
  - edmcnulty101 4y ago
    Thrown Linux on it and keep it rolling.
  - incanus77 4y ago
    Agree. I bought a 15” Pro and an 11” Air in 2013, both with 16GB, and used them until this year, when I went M1. Only really because I couldn’t run the latest OS anymore.
TheNewsIsHere 4y ago
I tend to agree. It seems like flagship smartphones (more generally) and Macs are one of the few consumer accessible lines where the price, build quality, and longevity have a proportional and justifiable relationship.
koromak 4y ago
Not to mention Windows itself feels like shovelware at this point. Its a horrible experience to boot up a new PC.
- celim307 4y ago
  OS X has its flaws and with apples recent move toward services it’s getting worse, but goddamn I can’t believe how bad the user experience windows 10/11 is, with nagging notifications at every turn, ads treated as first class citizens, constant urging for me to sign up for this Microsoft saas service…I just don’t feel respected as a user so why would I use it
  - kiawe_fire 4y ago
    When I bought my first MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard, it was a magical experience how it was designed and how free from constant nagging everything was. It felt like a complete, designed product. MacOS and the rest of Apple’s offerings are not quite like that today, with many new prompts for their services and almost Vista-like permission requests on the iOS side. But they still “win” just because everything else seems so much worse now.
- abudabi123 4y ago
  When you attended a Powerpoint presentation in person before covid the chance of the presenter's laptop wanting to scan and update itself in the middle of the presentation was almost certain. On Oct twelfth Microsoft is expected to announce next product line up and if they narrow the gap difference to the Mac they can pat themselves on the back and claim to be a corporate capable of learning. If only the Mac keyboard would look at the utility of the classical Thinkpad keyboard for design ideas. The bottom right corner where the arrow keys are.
throwaway743 4y ago
Your problem is with buying a dell or hp laptop. They're known to be crap. Buy by specs and look at other brands. The 2 macbooks I've had shit the bed within 5 years and cost ~$2k each. Both have also required repairs, so add to the costs. The PC laptop and desktops I've purchased/built for under $1200 each have been running smoothly still (laptop for 5 years at ~$900, and a 10 and a 6 year desktop $1100-$1200), haven't required repairs, and don't see any need to upgrade their performance in the near future (tho an rtx 3090 would be nice for running certain ML models). Yeah windows ui sucks, but the cost to performance ratio for the hardware is way better than an Apple laptop, especially if you build your own desktop. Not to mention, you can always use a linux drive or dual boot if windows ui is that much of a hassle.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
  I disagree. There isn't a single PC manufacturer that comes close to the hardware of a Mac. I mean in touchpad technology ALONE you can't find anything even close. Cost to performance for a Mac is better amortized over time. Sure you can get some bargain basement i7 computer for half the price of a Mac but you will need to buy a new one in half the time of a Mac. Not to mention the unpleasant experience of fighting half ass designed interface peripherals which just reduces your quality of life if you're on a computer all day. And the unpleasant experience that is Windows with literal Ad's in the OS and a required registration with windows cloud for your OS to work....
  - throwaway743 4y ago
  - northwest65 4y ago
    > Sure you can get some bargain basement i7 computer for half the price of a Mac but you will need to buy a new one in half the time of a Mac. Can you fucking Apple zealots even read?
    - edmcnulty101 4y ago

Emanation 4y ago

I closed the lid on my 4yo Mac and stuck it in a drawyer 3months ago. I guarantee I could go open it and vscode and Firefox will be just how I left it after it wakes

melling 4y ago
I still use a 2013 Mac Book Pro daily. Unfortunately Apple no longer allows the OS to be upgraded and I can no longer upgrade Xcode so soon I’ll have to retire it. The trick was to get 16GB in 2013.
- jakemauer 4y ago
  Take a look at the OpenCore project’s legacy patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ The trash can might have a little more life left in it yet.
- thangngoc89 4y ago
  I’ve been using 2012 Macbook Pro and reluctantly upgraded to MacOS 10.15 last week because new updates of almost every apps I have been using doesn’t support 10.14 anymore. I think that I can continue using this laptop for at least a year.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
  Thrown Linux on it and keep it rolling.
- incanus77 4y ago
  Agree. I bought a 15” Pro and an 11” Air in 2013, both with 16GB, and used them until this year, when I went M1. Only really because I couldn’t run the latest OS anymore.

TheNewsIsHere 4y ago

I tend to agree. It seems like flagship smartphones (more generally) and Macs are one of the few consumer accessible lines where the price, build quality, and longevity have a proportional and justifiable relationship.

koromak 4y ago

Not to mention Windows itself feels like shovelware at this point. Its a horrible experience to boot up a new PC.

celim307 4y ago
OS X has its flaws and with apples recent move toward services it’s getting worse, but goddamn I can’t believe how bad the user experience windows 10/11 is, with nagging notifications at every turn, ads treated as first class citizens, constant urging for me to sign up for this Microsoft saas service…I just don’t feel respected as a user so why would I use it
- kiawe_fire 4y ago
  When I bought my first MacBook Pro running Snow Leopard, it was a magical experience how it was designed and how free from constant nagging everything was. It felt like a complete, designed product. MacOS and the rest of Apple’s offerings are not quite like that today, with many new prompts for their services and almost Vista-like permission requests on the iOS side. But they still “win” just because everything else seems so much worse now.
abudabi123 4y ago
When you attended a Powerpoint presentation in person before covid the chance of the presenter's laptop wanting to scan and update itself in the middle of the presentation was almost certain. On Oct twelfth Microsoft is expected to announce next product line up and if they narrow the gap difference to the Mac they can pat themselves on the back and claim to be a corporate capable of learning. If only the Mac keyboard would look at the utility of the classical Thinkpad keyboard for design ideas. The bottom right corner where the arrow keys are.

throwaway743 4y ago

Your problem is with buying a dell or hp laptop. They're known to be crap. Buy by specs and look at other brands. The 2 macbooks I've had shit the bed within 5 years and cost ~$2k each. Both have also required repairs, so add to the costs. The PC laptop and desktops I've purchased/built for under $1200 each have been running smoothly still (laptop for 5 years at ~$900, and a 10 and a 6 year desktop $1100-$1200), haven't required repairs, and don't see any need to upgrade their performance in the near future (tho an rtx 3090 would be nice for running certain ML models). Yeah windows ui sucks, but the cost to performance ratio for the hardware is way better than an Apple laptop, especially if you build your own desktop. Not to mention, you can always use a linux drive or dual boot if windows ui is that much of a hassle.

edmcnulty101 4y ago
I disagree. There isn't a single PC manufacturer that comes close to the hardware of a Mac. I mean in touchpad technology ALONE you can't find anything even close. Cost to performance for a Mac is better amortized over time. Sure you can get some bargain basement i7 computer for half the price of a Mac but you will need to buy a new one in half the time of a Mac. Not to mention the unpleasant experience of fighting half ass designed interface peripherals which just reduces your quality of life if you're on a computer all day. And the unpleasant experience that is Windows with literal Ad's in the OS and a required registration with windows cloud for your OS to work....
- throwaway743 4y ago
- northwest65 4y ago
  > Sure you can get some bargain basement i7 computer for half the price of a Mac but you will need to buy a new one in half the time of a Mac. Can you fucking Apple zealots even read?
  - edmcnulty101 4y ago