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I was banned for telling a black person that "person of color" is a silly term, and that he should just call himself black. The justification cited : racism. T

I was banned for telling a black person that "person of color" is a silly term, and that he should just call himself black. The justification cited : racism. These are the people in charge.

moe091 4y ago
I agree you shouldn't have been banned but also wtf is wrong with you lol
Bud 4y ago
Setting aside whether you should have been banned, what you did was incredibly stupid. What made you think that you should go around telling Black people what they "should" call themselves? That's not your business or your job. Just keep your mouth shut about things that you have no right to comment on.
- Out_of_Characte 4y ago
  If I take your comment to heart then you should also shut up because its not your business to call people of color, black people. He most certainly has the right to comment. I do, too. I wouldn't want a payment processor to block you or fine you an arbitrary amount for vague rule violation with no legal recourse. Shutting up would mean this discussion wouldn't exist and paypal can continue stealing 2500 because they are always right.
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  - Bud 4y ago
    You're not too quick with valid analogies, are you? Hint: what you just posted wasn't one.
endisneigh 4y ago
Are you also black or a “person of color”? I’m curious why you think one term is somehow more appropriate than the other.
- 1over137 4y ago
  Is white a skin colour? i.e. every skin colour is a colour, and thus we are all 'persons of colour'. The term is not very descriptive at all.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    are you from United States? If so surely you know about the Jim Crow era and usage of the word colored persons?
    - benj111 4y ago
      What's your position? Person of colour sounds very similar to coloured person, so presumably you'd want to avoid either of those terms. But it reads like you're saying the opposite.
      - trs8080 4y ago
        The point is that if you haven't experienced discrimination (in terms of your ancestors being forced into slavery for the color of their skin or the constant barrage of laws attempted to keep you below others in society because of the color of your skin), you have no place in telling someone else how they should refer to the color of their skin. This isn't an an issue of semantics that you're trying to make it out to be - it's just not your business in the first place.
        daoist_shaman 4y ago
        One shouldn’t have to justify whether or not they are a victim of racism when they make a statement or claim. This isn’t Scarlet Letter. You seem to place more value in the views of the supposed victims of discrimination. Ironically, this is discriminatory to anyone else who has something to say on the topic.
spywaregorilla 4y ago
While I wouldn't agree that it is worth banning someone for; telling someone that their preferred term for self identity is silly strikes me as very rude and implies a sense of authority or expertise that you really have no business in.
- benj111 4y ago
  I suspect though that that is a shortened version of the interaction. If they were accused of racism for saying someone was black rather than a person of colour, and they said that was silly. That seems more reasonable. And while perhaps being rude, I don't think being of a certain colour gives or removes any authority or expertise you may have on the subject. If you want to identify as purple, can I not comment unless I also identify as purple?
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    lacking context about certain issues certainly does remove significance of individuals trying to speak about certain matters, yes.
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  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    > And while perhaps being rude, I don't think being of a certain colour gives or removes any authority or expertise you may have on the subject. If you want to identify as purple, can I not comment unless I also identify as purple? It adjusts the implicit context of what is being said. Which is heavy when it comes to white men telling Black individuals how to perceive themselves. In any case, calling someone's provided identity "silly" is hard to construe as anything but an attack. The best case context here is that you have assumed it is not important to them and thus harmless to denigrate. Which comes with its own loaded baggage of how people of privileged social classes don't consider how or why identity is so central to disadvantaged groups because they never really need to think much about being a "normal" person. It's not a particularly malicious attack. But it's needlessly abrasive. No, don't comment on someone's identification as purple. Nobody asked for your opinion. If you want to ask them about their identity that's probably ok.
jimcavel888 4y ago
trs8080 4y ago
If PayPal isn't the morality police what makes you think you're the language police? Especially when it seems like you decided to police a person of color during a routine business transaction?
Kye 4y ago
Unless you know that person's heritage, you don't actually know. Black as an identity is not a global thing. It's like when that director from Africa was called an African American in the press despite not being American. Forcing black on someone who doesn't identify that way is just as absurd as forcing American on someone who isn't.
gaws 4y ago
> I was banned for telling a black person that "person of color" is a silly term, and that he should just call himself black. The justification cited : racism. Where did you tell off this person? How did PayPal catch wind of it?

I was banned for telling a black person that "person of color" is a silly term, and that he should just call himself black. The justification cited : racism. These are the people in charge.

moe091 4y ago

I agree you shouldn't have been banned but also wtf is wrong with you lol

Bud 4y ago

Setting aside whether you should have been banned, what you did was incredibly stupid. What made you think that you should go around telling Black people what they "should" call themselves? That's not your business or your job. Just keep your mouth shut about things that you have no right to comment on.

Out_of_Characte 4y ago
If I take your comment to heart then you should also shut up because its not your business to call people of color, black people. He most certainly has the right to comment. I do, too. I wouldn't want a payment processor to block you or fine you an arbitrary amount for vague rule violation with no legal recourse. Shutting up would mean this discussion wouldn't exist and paypal can continue stealing 2500 because they are always right.
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- Bud 4y ago
  You're not too quick with valid analogies, are you? Hint: what you just posted wasn't one.

endisneigh 4y ago

Are you also black or a “person of color”? I’m curious why you think one term is somehow more appropriate than the other.

1over137 4y ago
Is white a skin colour? i.e. every skin colour is a colour, and thus we are all 'persons of colour'. The term is not very descriptive at all.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  are you from United States? If so surely you know about the Jim Crow era and usage of the word colored persons?
  - benj111 4y ago
    What's your position? Person of colour sounds very similar to coloured person, so presumably you'd want to avoid either of those terms. But it reads like you're saying the opposite.
    - trs8080 4y ago
      The point is that if you haven't experienced discrimination (in terms of your ancestors being forced into slavery for the color of their skin or the constant barrage of laws attempted to keep you below others in society because of the color of your skin), you have no place in telling someone else how they should refer to the color of their skin. This isn't an an issue of semantics that you're trying to make it out to be - it's just not your business in the first place.
      - daoist_shaman 4y ago
        One shouldn’t have to justify whether or not they are a victim of racism when they make a statement or claim. This isn’t Scarlet Letter. You seem to place more value in the views of the supposed victims of discrimination. Ironically, this is discriminatory to anyone else who has something to say on the topic.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

While I wouldn't agree that it is worth banning someone for; telling someone that their preferred term for self identity is silly strikes me as very rude and implies a sense of authority or expertise that you really have no business in.

benj111 4y ago
I suspect though that that is a shortened version of the interaction. If they were accused of racism for saying someone was black rather than a person of colour, and they said that was silly. That seems more reasonable. And while perhaps being rude, I don't think being of a certain colour gives or removes any authority or expertise you may have on the subject. If you want to identify as purple, can I not comment unless I also identify as purple?
- endisneigh 4y ago
  lacking context about certain issues certainly does remove significance of individuals trying to speak about certain matters, yes.
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- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  > And while perhaps being rude, I don't think being of a certain colour gives or removes any authority or expertise you may have on the subject. If you want to identify as purple, can I not comment unless I also identify as purple? It adjusts the implicit context of what is being said. Which is heavy when it comes to white men telling Black individuals how to perceive themselves. In any case, calling someone's provided identity "silly" is hard to construe as anything but an attack. The best case context here is that you have assumed it is not important to them and thus harmless to denigrate. Which comes with its own loaded baggage of how people of privileged social classes don't consider how or why identity is so central to disadvantaged groups because they never really need to think much about being a "normal" person. It's not a particularly malicious attack. But it's needlessly abrasive. No, don't comment on someone's identification as purple. Nobody asked for your opinion. If you want to ask them about their identity that's probably ok.

jimcavel888 4y ago

trs8080 4y ago

If PayPal isn't the morality police what makes you think you're the language police? Especially when it seems like you decided to police a person of color during a routine business transaction?

Kye 4y ago

Unless you know that person's heritage, you don't actually know. Black as an identity is not a global thing. It's like when that director from Africa was called an African American in the press despite not being American. Forcing black on someone who doesn't identify that way is just as absurd as forcing American on someone who isn't.

gaws 4y ago

> I was banned for telling a black person that "person of color" is a silly term, and that he should just call himself black. The justification cited : racism. Where did you tell off this person? How did PayPal catch wind of it?