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If you want to build to last, build with stone.

bokohut 4y ago
A simple and concise statement backed by undeniable proof found in monuments around the world of which some modern man still cannot explain as we continue to discover such artifacts as our technology aided exploration expands. My additional comments to this comes from personal experience in this arena in the last decade of my own local discoveries that are directly linked to Native and Paleo occupation on the land of which I live and the surrounding area. Over ten years ago now I found my first artifact laying on the surface behind my house and in that time I have done hundreds of hours of research and well over a thousand hours of walking in which I have discovered many artifacts to date. Several accredited individuals and organizations have visited my location to see my finds as I attempt to get the surrounding areas studied for preservation from what the experts have informed me on my collection. As with anything however someone must take up the preservation battle and while I continue to discover items weekly my professional background is not in artifacts nor land preservation. I'll close with another statement for one to ponder just as shipman05 did: Nearly everything humans have created that is no longer needed either gets buried by another human or by nature in time.
- tomcam 4y ago
  Wait, you're not going to tell us what artifacts you found or what country you're in? You're killing me here!
  - bokohut 4y ago
    To satisfy my conscience I humbly make this post to save tomcam’s life. Stay with me! ;) My findings include artifacts that are carved from stone and shell along with relics fired from clay with items that date back 10,000+ years per sources. Off topic and therefore not previously stated I only mentioned pre modern man artifacts given the discussion however I have located so much more. I live in the Eastern coastal mid Atlantic region of the United States of America which has a very long and documented history of human occupation, aka people losing things. For those reading this that have wanted to find such an artifact I can assure that such things are everywhere however one just needs to invest the time to look and comprehend one's surroundings. Just as the article concludes "There’s more out there to be found, but they have to be looked for".
    - tomcam 4y ago
      Just in time. I was fading out there. Now you have me wondering. I have just purchased a farm in what is known to be Indian country next-door to Seattle. I have looked casually but not very methodically for any such artifacts. I do know this area was extensively logged a century ago and I am guessing that is one reason I found nothing. Thank you so much for the update and for saving my miserable life!
      - bokohut 4y ago
        With your knowledge that logging occurred you know at least humans occupied the land with a purpose so tools and other lost modern items are certainly present. Unaware of Washington State land deeds and mappings this is where I would start as a pointer to potential item locations. You should definitely purchase a metal detector and just go for aimless walks because before there were banks people hid their money, some is still buried hint hint. In your walking you will learn the topology and erosion patterns of your land and this is the secret to finding surface items time and again. Of course YMMV with frequency of discoveries but even the remotest places known have had human occupation or at least passage with the opportunity to lose or discard items. Should your curiosity around this topic continue to nag feel free to reach me via smtp at the same domain your about promotes. No life is miserable if one is motivated and capable of positivity but it is 2022 which is presenting more and more challenges to be that positive. Stay Healthy!
        tomcam 4y ago
        OK this is exciting. Love all these suggestions & plan to execute as many as possible. Thanks tons!
scarecrowbob 4y ago
I think I get what you are saying and certainly not trying to compare you to this horrible villain... but whenever I hear that sentiment I am usually reminded of this quote from Judge Holden in Blood Meridian: "What is true of one man, said the judge, is true of many. The people who once lived here are called the Anasazi. The old ones. They quit these parts, routed by drought or disease or by wandering bands of marauders, quit these parts ages since and of them there is no memory. They are rumors and ghosts in this land and they are much revered. The tools, the art, the building — these things stand in judgement on the latter races. Yet there is nothing for them to grapple with. The old ones are gone like phantoms and the savages wander these canyons to the sound of an ancient laughter. In their crude huts they crouch in darkness and listen to the fear seeping out of the rock. All progressions from a higher to a lower order are marked by ruins and mystery and a residue of nameless rage. So. Here are the dead fathers. Their spirit is entombed in the stone. It lies upon the land with the same weight and the same ubiquity. For whoever makes a shelter of reeds and hides has joined his spirit to the common destiny of creatures and he will subside back into the primal mud with scarcely a cry. But who builds in stone seeks to alter the structure of the universe and so it was with these masons however primitive their works may seem to us." For what it's worth, I live in the four corners area of the US and regularly see stone buildings that are hundreds of years old out in the desert, and the structure I live in is made of wood.
- AlotOfReading 4y ago
  Wood lasts essentially forever in the southwest. We have dendrochronological records going back thousands of years from the Colorado plateau because there's so little decay. There just wasn't much of it to build with out there by the classic period, so they relied more on abundant stone rather than trying to drag more timbers than strictly necessary the tens of kilometers from where they grew to where pueblos were built. You probably know this as well, but for those that don't, the Anasazi are typically called "Ancestral puebloans" in modern literature because it's been well established that they didn't actually go anywhere, they're pretty direct ancestors of the modern puebloan nations (among others).
  - scarecrowbob 4y ago

A simple and concise statement backed by undeniable proof found in monuments around the world of which some modern man still cannot explain as we continue to discover such artifacts as our technology aided exploration expands. My additional comments to this comes from personal experience in this arena in the last decade of my own local discoveries that are directly linked to Native and Paleo occupation on the land of which I live and the surrounding area. Over ten years ago now I found my first artifact laying on the surface behind my house and in that time I have done hundreds of hours of research and well over a thousand hours of walking in which I have discovered many artifacts to date. Several accredited individuals and organizations have visited my location to see my finds as I attempt to get the surrounding areas studied for preservation from what the experts have informed me on my collection. As with anything however someone must take up the preservation battle and while I continue to discover items weekly my professional background is not in artifacts nor land preservation. I'll close with another statement for one to ponder just as shipman05 did: Nearly everything humans have created that is no longer needed either gets buried by another human or by nature in time.

tomcam 4y ago
Wait, you're not going to tell us what artifacts you found or what country you're in? You're killing me here!
- bokohut 4y ago
  To satisfy my conscience I humbly make this post to save tomcam’s life. Stay with me! ;) My findings include artifacts that are carved from stone and shell along with relics fired from clay with items that date back 10,000+ years per sources. Off topic and therefore not previously stated I only mentioned pre modern man artifacts given the discussion however I have located so much more. I live in the Eastern coastal mid Atlantic region of the United States of America which has a very long and documented history of human occupation, aka people losing things. For those reading this that have wanted to find such an artifact I can assure that such things are everywhere however one just needs to invest the time to look and comprehend one's surroundings. Just as the article concludes "There’s more out there to be found, but they have to be looked for".
  - tomcam 4y ago
    Just in time. I was fading out there. Now you have me wondering. I have just purchased a farm in what is known to be Indian country next-door to Seattle. I have looked casually but not very methodically for any such artifacts. I do know this area was extensively logged a century ago and I am guessing that is one reason I found nothing. Thank you so much for the update and for saving my miserable life!
    - bokohut 4y ago
      With your knowledge that logging occurred you know at least humans occupied the land with a purpose so tools and other lost modern items are certainly present. Unaware of Washington State land deeds and mappings this is where I would start as a pointer to potential item locations. You should definitely purchase a metal detector and just go for aimless walks because before there were banks people hid their money, some is still buried hint hint. In your walking you will learn the topology and erosion patterns of your land and this is the secret to finding surface items time and again. Of course YMMV with frequency of discoveries but even the remotest places known have had human occupation or at least passage with the opportunity to lose or discard items. Should your curiosity around this topic continue to nag feel free to reach me via smtp at the same domain your about promotes. No life is miserable if one is motivated and capable of positivity but it is 2022 which is presenting more and more challenges to be that positive. Stay Healthy!
      - tomcam 4y ago
        OK this is exciting. Love all these suggestions & plan to execute as many as possible. Thanks tons!

scarecrowbob 4y ago

I think I get what you are saying and certainly not trying to compare you to this horrible villain... but whenever I hear that sentiment I am usually reminded of this quote from Judge Holden in Blood Meridian: "What is true of one man, said the judge, is true of many. The people who once lived here are called the Anasazi. The old ones. They quit these parts, routed by drought or disease or by wandering bands of marauders, quit these parts ages since and of them there is no memory. They are rumors and ghosts in this land and they are much revered. The tools, the art, the building — these things stand in judgement on the latter races. Yet there is nothing for them to grapple with. The old ones are gone like phantoms and the savages wander these canyons to the sound of an ancient laughter. In their crude huts they crouch in darkness and listen to the fear seeping out of the rock. All progressions from a higher to a lower order are marked by ruins and mystery and a residue of nameless rage. So. Here are the dead fathers. Their spirit is entombed in the stone. It lies upon the land with the same weight and the same ubiquity. For whoever makes a shelter of reeds and hides has joined his spirit to the common destiny of creatures and he will subside back into the primal mud with scarcely a cry. But who builds in stone seeks to alter the structure of the universe and so it was with these masons however primitive their works may seem to us." For what it's worth, I live in the four corners area of the US and regularly see stone buildings that are hundreds of years old out in the desert, and the structure I live in is made of wood.

AlotOfReading 4y ago
Wood lasts essentially forever in the southwest. We have dendrochronological records going back thousands of years from the Colorado plateau because there's so little decay. There just wasn't much of it to build with out there by the classic period, so they relied more on abundant stone rather than trying to drag more timbers than strictly necessary the tens of kilometers from where they grew to where pueblos were built. You probably know this as well, but for those that don't, the Anasazi are typically called "Ancestral puebloans" in modern literature because it's been well established that they didn't actually go anywhere, they're pretty direct ancestors of the modern puebloan nations (among others).
- scarecrowbob 4y ago