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> Those are by far the most important features for a text editor to have To you, maybe. The most important features of an editor for me, and for many people, i

> Those are by far the most important features for a text editor to have To you, maybe. The most important features of an editor for me, and for many people, is that it is stable, dependable, and ubiquitous. There is no way I am going to re-learn years of muscle memory for a "post-modern" editor. Cool and trendy is the exact opposite of what I want in my tools. What happens with the authors get bored and move on to the next shiny thing? Vim is available on ~every machine I could possibly interact with. There is a vim mode in every single mainstream editor / IDE. My Vim muscle memory will keep me productive for the rest of my life. IMO, making something slightly nicer to configure is never going to overcome the inertia of a project like Vim. The new editor would have to be like 3x better to convince everyone to make the switch, not 1.1x better in some specific areas.

BanazirGalbasi 4y ago
> Vim is available on ~every machine I could possibly interact with. This is my exact reasoning for sticking with Vim. I use Neovim on my desktop, but I work with servers and have a homelab where I just want the greatest common factor. Nano is also an option, but just like you, my Vim muscle memory is embedded and I end up with :wq everywhere. Is Helix cool? Absolutely. Will it replace [Neo]Vim? Not until it's installed by default everywhere, and that won't happen unless it has a compatibility mode for Vim shortcuts.
kovac 4y ago
Exactly. The features OP described are IDE like features that many vim users like myself don't want in my basic text editor. Adding extra features via plugins is not an afterthought but design. He clearly doesn't understand the vim/neovim crowd and the design philosophy. Small correction though, vi is available on every machine, not vim. But indeed this is big reason why I use vim for my own stuff.

BanazirGalbasi 4y ago

> Vim is available on ~every machine I could possibly interact with. This is my exact reasoning for sticking with Vim. I use Neovim on my desktop, but I work with servers and have a homelab where I just want the greatest common factor. Nano is also an option, but just like you, my Vim muscle memory is embedded and I end up with :wq everywhere. Is Helix cool? Absolutely. Will it replace [Neo]Vim? Not until it's installed by default everywhere, and that won't happen unless it has a compatibility mode for Vim shortcuts.

kovac 4y ago

Exactly. The features OP described are IDE like features that many vim users like myself don't want in my basic text editor. Adding extra features via plugins is not an afterthought but design. He clearly doesn't understand the vim/neovim crowd and the design philosophy. Small correction though, vi is available on every machine, not vim. But indeed this is big reason why I use vim for my own stuff.