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Interested if you could elaborate on this, as someone who’s never used Bootstrap as I don’t really see the point if you are implementing a custom design anyway.

by tobr 4y ago

Interested if you could elaborate on this, as someone who’s never used Bootstrap as I don’t really see the point if you are implementing a custom design anyway. What is the elevator pitch for basing this on Bootstrap?

dgb23 4y ago
Familiarity. You can achieve a cleaner, lighter and more focused CSS/SCSS codebase without it, but people know Bootstrap and it's quick and easy for them.
gedy 4y ago
- When the design changes again, you don't have to rewrite all the code. - You can use this across different web technologies. - You can use with off the shelf component libraries.
danpalmer 4y ago
When creating a new design system you need to cover at least: 1. CSS architecture, making all the components inter-compatible with each other (very complex). 2. Accessibility. 3. Browser compatibility and responsiveness/mobile capabilities. 3. What components are you going to provide? 4. Documentation for the team using it. 5. Fixing all the bugs in it. 6. The _actual design_. Bootstrap pretty much gives you 1-6. It makes decisions that are easy to criticise if you've got the resources of a big tech company behind you, but for most people, customising Bootstrap will let them focus on #7 and get all the rest pretty much done for them. There are alternatives, taking any of the major CSS frameworks like this that has customisation built in will work, Foundation is another good one, but Bootstrap has a lot of the mindshare.
- pcurve 4y ago
  We've built custom UI Components from scratch. Millions in development resources. I miss Bootstrap. Never understood why it became fashionable to hate on it.
  - danpalmer 4y ago
    I saw some of the "hate" (strong word) at my previous job, and it pretty much boiled down to 3 things: - Bootstrap JQuery - Not going all-in on customisation with the built-in customisation options, but rather hacking on custom styles on top in our own stylesheets. - Starting from Bootstrap 3. I suspect that much of the hate stems from things like this.
    - pcurve 4y ago
      you nailed it. Bootstrap has very powerful customization options if you're willing to invest some time learning scss config files.
- andimm 4y ago
  Did you mean Bootstrap gives you 1-5 and you can focus on #6 or do I not understand what #7 is?
  - jsnell 4y ago
    The numbering is off, there's a duplicate 3.

by tobr 4y ago

dgb23 4y ago

Familiarity. You can achieve a cleaner, lighter and more focused CSS/SCSS codebase without it, but people know Bootstrap and it's quick and easy for them.

gedy 4y ago

- When the design changes again, you don't have to rewrite all the code. - You can use this across different web technologies. - You can use with off the shelf component libraries.

danpalmer 4y ago

When creating a new design system you need to cover at least: 1. CSS architecture, making all the components inter-compatible with each other (very complex). 2. Accessibility. 3. Browser compatibility and responsiveness/mobile capabilities. 3. What components are you going to provide? 4. Documentation for the team using it. 5. Fixing all the bugs in it. 6. The _actual design_. Bootstrap pretty much gives you 1-6. It makes decisions that are easy to criticise if you've got the resources of a big tech company behind you, but for most people, customising Bootstrap will let them focus on #7 and get all the rest pretty much done for them. There are alternatives, taking any of the major CSS frameworks like this that has customisation built in will work, Foundation is another good one, but Bootstrap has a lot of the mindshare.

pcurve 4y ago
We've built custom UI Components from scratch. Millions in development resources. I miss Bootstrap. Never understood why it became fashionable to hate on it.
- danpalmer 4y ago
  I saw some of the "hate" (strong word) at my previous job, and it pretty much boiled down to 3 things: - Bootstrap JQuery - Not going all-in on customisation with the built-in customisation options, but rather hacking on custom styles on top in our own stylesheets. - Starting from Bootstrap 3. I suspect that much of the hate stems from things like this.
  - pcurve 4y ago
    you nailed it. Bootstrap has very powerful customization options if you're willing to invest some time learning scss config files.
andimm 4y ago
Did you mean Bootstrap gives you 1-5 and you can focus on #6 or do I not understand what #7 is?
- jsnell 4y ago
  The numbering is off, there's a duplicate 3.