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>I'm actually more impressed by the speed keystrokes and redrawing are handled in the good ol' Win32 EDIT field. I wonder what went wrong. I can't see today's

>I'm actually more impressed by the speed keystrokes and redrawing are handled in the good ol' Win32 EDIT field. I wonder what went wrong. I can't see today's MS ever living up to what the NT and desktop team delivered ~20 years ago. Its baffling to think that the same company is responsible for Teams.

m000 4y ago
Comparing a windows-only minimum viable visual text editor with a cross-platform videoconferencing software which integrates with a ton of other productivity software. Sounds legit. I get it, Teams may not work perfectly on every setup. But the same goes with practically all enterprise-level videoconferencing solutions.
bombcar 4y ago
Microsoft lost the OS war and is defending Office as best they can, which includes cross-platform tooling.
- osigurdson 4y ago
  They lost the server OS war, but desktop Linux seems like it will never overtake Windows and macOS.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    They lost every OS market except for the Desktop. Where it is at 75% to 80%, trending downwards. Give it another decade.
    - osigurdson 4y ago
      Is the market share largely being taken by macOS or something else? Chromebooks perhaps?
      - bombcar 4y ago
        macOS is the important one - if Microsoft support for office on Mac wasn’t as good as it is, they could be in existential danger. Already Google Apps has made a strong play, and Microsoft is doing quite a good job defending. Teams is only a part of it. And there’s also mobile, which they lost entirely. That could be a risk, too, and they know it.
        osigurdson 4y ago
        I don’t know. I bought office for my Mac 4 years ago and used it maybe twice. Google docs might not be quite as good but good enough for most things. I also hate looking at the ribbon (but that is just personal preference).
        bombcar 4y ago
        Yeah, for home/personal use they're all the same, and many people don't own anything Microsoft in that arena - Google docs from a iPhone/Mac/Chromebook are often "good enough". Businesses they still have a stranglehold, but even there I've noticed it loosening.
      - mschuster91 4y ago
        In the corporate world, there seems to be a shift towards thin clients running whatever OS works best (homegrown Linux, ChromeOS, macOS) and beefy Citrix servers, as well as another shift to SaaS/on-prem/on-own-cloud web applications. Guess we're in a revival of the 70s/80s mainframes with dumb terminals again.
- redorb 4y ago
  2nd behind Android if we're counting mobile OS's. But still ahead of computer/laptop/desktop OS's. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
- wongarsu 4y ago
  Microsoft has 75% market share on desktop OS, and is doing a lot to keep it that way (including the windows subsystem for linux and VScode remote that make it easy to develop linux code on Windows)
- jmartrican 4y ago
  Did they lose the OS war? last I checked Windows has higher marketshare than macOS.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    I say they did, in that they have to treat other OSes as "real" - if they had dominated as they did in the 90s and early 2000s they would have just made Office for Windows and left everyone else on some Web version.
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    Over the long run, mobile is king, and windows isn’t there. If Apple or Android figure out how to take advantage of their situation on this, they could overtake windows in 40-50 years.
    - MonkeyClub 4y ago
      > they could overtake windows in 40-50 years. Is that also your overall estimate on how long the mobile paradigm will overtake the desktop one? I would guesstimate that to a decade, or a decade and a half at most, with the degeneration of written language following closely.
MonkeyClub 4y ago
> Its baffling to think that the same company is responsible for Teams. In an absolutely symmetric comparison, the Germans first gave us Goethe, and then.. Same company, but different teams I guess :)

m000 4y ago

Comparing a windows-only minimum viable visual text editor with a cross-platform videoconferencing software which integrates with a ton of other productivity software. Sounds legit. I get it, Teams may not work perfectly on every setup. But the same goes with practically all enterprise-level videoconferencing solutions.

bombcar 4y ago

Microsoft lost the OS war and is defending Office as best they can, which includes cross-platform tooling.

osigurdson 4y ago
They lost the server OS war, but desktop Linux seems like it will never overtake Windows and macOS.
- blueflow 4y ago
  They lost every OS market except for the Desktop. Where it is at 75% to 80%, trending downwards. Give it another decade.
  - osigurdson 4y ago
    Is the market share largely being taken by macOS or something else? Chromebooks perhaps?
    - bombcar 4y ago
      macOS is the important one - if Microsoft support for office on Mac wasn’t as good as it is, they could be in existential danger. Already Google Apps has made a strong play, and Microsoft is doing quite a good job defending. Teams is only a part of it. And there’s also mobile, which they lost entirely. That could be a risk, too, and they know it.
      - osigurdson 4y ago
        I don’t know. I bought office for my Mac 4 years ago and used it maybe twice. Google docs might not be quite as good but good enough for most things. I also hate looking at the ribbon (but that is just personal preference).
        bombcar 4y ago
        Yeah, for home/personal use they're all the same, and many people don't own anything Microsoft in that arena - Google docs from a iPhone/Mac/Chromebook are often "good enough". Businesses they still have a stranglehold, but even there I've noticed it loosening.
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      In the corporate world, there seems to be a shift towards thin clients running whatever OS works best (homegrown Linux, ChromeOS, macOS) and beefy Citrix servers, as well as another shift to SaaS/on-prem/on-own-cloud web applications. Guess we're in a revival of the 70s/80s mainframes with dumb terminals again.
redorb 4y ago
2nd behind Android if we're counting mobile OS's. But still ahead of computer/laptop/desktop OS's. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
wongarsu 4y ago
Microsoft has 75% market share on desktop OS, and is doing a lot to keep it that way (including the windows subsystem for linux and VScode remote that make it easy to develop linux code on Windows)
jmartrican 4y ago
Did they lose the OS war? last I checked Windows has higher marketshare than macOS.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I say they did, in that they have to treat other OSes as "real" - if they had dominated as they did in the 90s and early 2000s they would have just made Office for Windows and left everyone else on some Web version.
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Over the long run, mobile is king, and windows isn’t there. If Apple or Android figure out how to take advantage of their situation on this, they could overtake windows in 40-50 years.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > they could overtake windows in 40-50 years. Is that also your overall estimate on how long the mobile paradigm will overtake the desktop one? I would guesstimate that to a decade, or a decade and a half at most, with the degeneration of written language following closely.

MonkeyClub 4y ago

> Its baffling to think that the same company is responsible for Teams. In an absolutely symmetric comparison, the Germans first gave us Goethe, and then.. Same company, but different teams I guess :)