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So providing an effective means of protecting depressed non-adults from the frictionless purchase of above-laboratory strength chemicals to potentially kill the

by hrbf 4y ago

So providing an effective means of protecting depressed non-adults from the frictionless purchase of above-laboratory strength chemicals to potentially kill themselves by as trivial a measure as verifying age on delivery is somehow infringing on your liberty. Got it.

catiopatio 4y ago
Yes, it very clearly is, and the fact that you think age verification on delivery is “trivial” is alarming and depressing.
- hrbf 4y ago
  Trivial as compared to taking away the freedom of being able to purchase stuff like that at all via mail order – which I do not necessarily consider to be a reasonable request, nor do I agree with the lawsuit as is. There are already established mechanisms to verify age and identity in place to do that, package delivery companies do it all the time. It’s simply more expensive to do that. But Amazon clearly did not respond to reasonable discourse. I fail to see what you consider radical or restricting about my position. There was also a quickly deleted response accusing me of ”pathological empathy that would abandon any principled position if it offered an immediate salve” to my “emotional panic”. I believe this reveals more about the character and expectations of the commenter than anything else. To their credit, they deleted it. Rational discourse about touchy subjects appears to be largely impossible. I expected better from HN. It doesn‘t follow that because you apparently hold an absolutist stance regarding what you consider freedom to be, that I am on the opposite end of this absolutism.
  - catiopatio 4y ago
    > I fail to see what you consider radical or restricting about my position. Society should not bear the cost or responsibility for parenting other people’s children and preventing all possible accidents, much less willful self-harm. The possibility of bad things happening is the cost of having a healthy, responsible, capable society of well-adjusted adults.
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  It's simple. They do it every time I order wine or booze online, they do it every time someone orders pot, it'd simple and easy. Even Amazon does it in their whole foods branch when they deliver wine, safeway does it when they deliver me beer. It is simple and trivial.
  - catiopatio 4y ago
    Those are already intrusions — a slow creep of adding more is not a trivial outcome. Next you’ll be advocating for age checks on kitchen knife purchases out of an irrational fear of “knife crime”: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives Don’t worry, though, Scotland is a little more relaxed: “In Scotland, you’re allowed to sell 16 and 17 year olds cutlery and kitchen knives.” I moved out at sixteen and bought my first kitchen knife set. That’d be illegal now in the UK. That’s where your emotionally-driven policies lead. No thanks.
  - fastball 4y ago
    I have ordered booze a number of times online and the majority of times have not been carded on delivery.

by hrbf 4y ago

catiopatio 4y ago

Yes, it very clearly is, and the fact that you think age verification on delivery is “trivial” is alarming and depressing.

hrbf 4y ago
Trivial as compared to taking away the freedom of being able to purchase stuff like that at all via mail order – which I do not necessarily consider to be a reasonable request, nor do I agree with the lawsuit as is. There are already established mechanisms to verify age and identity in place to do that, package delivery companies do it all the time. It’s simply more expensive to do that. But Amazon clearly did not respond to reasonable discourse. I fail to see what you consider radical or restricting about my position. There was also a quickly deleted response accusing me of ”pathological empathy that would abandon any principled position if it offered an immediate salve” to my “emotional panic”. I believe this reveals more about the character and expectations of the commenter than anything else. To their credit, they deleted it. Rational discourse about touchy subjects appears to be largely impossible. I expected better from HN. It doesn‘t follow that because you apparently hold an absolutist stance regarding what you consider freedom to be, that I am on the opposite end of this absolutism.
- catiopatio 4y ago
  > I fail to see what you consider radical or restricting about my position. Society should not bear the cost or responsibility for parenting other people’s children and preventing all possible accidents, much less willful self-harm. The possibility of bad things happening is the cost of having a healthy, responsible, capable society of well-adjusted adults.
iancmceachern 4y ago
It's simple. They do it every time I order wine or booze online, they do it every time someone orders pot, it'd simple and easy. Even Amazon does it in their whole foods branch when they deliver wine, safeway does it when they deliver me beer. It is simple and trivial.
- catiopatio 4y ago
  Those are already intrusions — a slow creep of adding more is not a trivial outcome. Next you’ll be advocating for age checks on kitchen knife purchases out of an irrational fear of “knife crime”: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives Don’t worry, though, Scotland is a little more relaxed: “In Scotland, you’re allowed to sell 16 and 17 year olds cutlery and kitchen knives.” I moved out at sixteen and bought my first kitchen knife set. That’d be illegal now in the UK. That’s where your emotionally-driven policies lead. No thanks.
- fastball 4y ago
  I have ordered booze a number of times online and the majority of times have not been carded on delivery.