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> How is it possible, I ask, that U.S.A. universities openly and notoriously give favorable treatment to the children of past alumni without this being shut dow

> How is it possible, I ask, that U.S.A. universities openly and notoriously give favorable treatment to the children of past alumni without this being shut down by the lawmaker or the courts? Private institutions can do as they see fit. Public universities not so much. So yes, Harvard alumni will have favorable treatment for their kids. SUNY Buffalo, not so much.

eesmith 4y ago
Private institutions which accept government funding, like Harvard, have many more restrictions than those like Hillsdale College which don't. The latter, for example, don't need to follow civil rights rules - https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-controversial-reason-some-religious-colleges-forgo-federal-funding/490253/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co... . Most colleges - public included - have legacy admissions. Why are you so certain SUNY Buffalo does not have legacy admissions? https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-consider-legacy-status https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-c... says SUNY at Albany, SUNY College at Geneseo, SUNY College at Oswego, SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry, and SUNY Cortland consider legacy status. It says SUNY at Purchase College, SUNY College at Potsdam, and SUNY Oneonta do not. It doesn't mention SUNY Buffalo.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Correction. Looks like only 6% of public universities have legacy admissions, not "most". https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/legacy-admissions https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/legacy-admissions
Blikkentrekker 4y ago
Private universities in and of itself is a bizarre idea. These institutions give out degrees recognized by governments which correspond to the legal competence to practice law or to perform surgery. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a “private university” where I live. All educational facilities receive funding from the government, and are beholden to it's standards and rules. Even apart from that, a private company cannot legally here hire people because their parents worked there first. – That is illegal employment discrimination. It very often seems legal to do in the U.S.A. what is illegal discrimination almost everywhere else. Except of course when it concerns their almighty “protected classes”, because then it suddenly matters, though it's of course woefully ineffective, a system where one can be fired for any reason including no reason, but not for, say, skin color. It makes it very easy to find another reason, or just no reason. If I were to be terminated, they have to give me the reason and be transparent with the books so that I can easily show in court that though they claimed I was fired for performance, others who performed worse, were strangely not. — Such is how matters are done in normal, civilized, industrialized countries.
- GiorgioG 4y ago
  > Such is how matters are done in normal, civilized, industrialized countries. Yes I understand, Europe is perfect.

eesmith 4y ago

Private institutions which accept government funding, like Harvard, have many more restrictions than those like Hillsdale College which don't. The latter, for example, don't need to follow civil rights rules - https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-controversial-reason-some-religious-colleges-forgo-federal-funding/490253/ https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co... . Most colleges - public included - have legacy admissions. Why are you so certain SUNY Buffalo does not have legacy admissions? https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-consider-legacy-status https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/colleges-that-c... says SUNY at Albany, SUNY College at Geneseo, SUNY College at Oswego, SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry, and SUNY Cortland consider legacy status. It says SUNY at Purchase College, SUNY College at Potsdam, and SUNY Oneonta do not. It doesn't mention SUNY Buffalo.

eesmith 4y ago
Correction. Looks like only 6% of public universities have legacy admissions, not "most". https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/legacy-admissions https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/legacy-admissions

Blikkentrekker 4y ago

Private universities in and of itself is a bizarre idea. These institutions give out degrees recognized by governments which correspond to the legal competence to practice law or to perform surgery. As far as I know, there is no such thing as a “private university” where I live. All educational facilities receive funding from the government, and are beholden to it's standards and rules. Even apart from that, a private company cannot legally here hire people because their parents worked there first. – That is illegal employment discrimination. It very often seems legal to do in the U.S.A. what is illegal discrimination almost everywhere else. Except of course when it concerns their almighty “protected classes”, because then it suddenly matters, though it's of course woefully ineffective, a system where one can be fired for any reason including no reason, but not for, say, skin color. It makes it very easy to find another reason, or just no reason. If I were to be terminated, they have to give me the reason and be transparent with the books so that I can easily show in court that though they claimed I was fired for performance, others who performed worse, were strangely not. — Such is how matters are done in normal, civilized, industrialized countries.

GiorgioG 4y ago
> Such is how matters are done in normal, civilized, industrialized countries. Yes I understand, Europe is perfect.