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To say nothing of the land it stole from the indigenous folks.
by socialismisok 4y ago
To say nothing of the land it stole from the indigenous folks.
- fastball 4y agoWho stole it from other folks.
- irrational 4y agoAre you claiming the Americas were populated before the (current) native Americans came over from Siberia?
- fastball 4y agoNo, I'm claiming that "native Americans" are not / were not a monoculture, and to imply/believe such is both naive and racist.
- socialismisok 4y agoI can see, maybe, the argument get made that there were territorial conflicts and therefore some regions changed hands. But that's so, so different than the role Europeans played in the wholesale genocide of indigenous folks.
- fastball 4y agoYep, so different, because obviously before Europeans arrived, no American culture ever destroyed another American culture... well, except for all the times that did happen.
- socialismisok 4y agoYou are putting words into my mouth, please don't. Obviously there were wars and conflicts between indigenous people. Obviously some of those resulted in the destruction of a tribe, culture, or people. But that's nothing like the genocide brought by colonizers. Scholarly estimates put pre-1492 populations in the US at about 5 million. At it's lowest point, around 1900, fewer than 250,000 indigenous people lived in the US. Across the entire continental United States, 95% of indigenous people were killed, amounting to millions of deaths. Whatever the scale of ante colonial conflict, it just isn't comparable to the genocide that colonizers brought, and to argue that it was somehow comparable is tasteless at the very least.
- fastball 4y ago250k would be the number of people living on reservations or similar. Incredibly disingenuous to not include all the people and their descendants that integrated into the dominant society.
- socialismisok 4y agoNo, 250k is the total number of people who claimed indigenous heritage in the US. Not just those living on the reservations. Yes, there were some who probably stopped claiming indigenous heritage, but unless you have a source, the most accurate scholarly number we have for the total number of indigenous people in the US is between 230k and 250k in the years between 1900 and 1910.
- redanddead 4y agoDamn, you're going to hate it once they start unearthing all the mass burial sites. What are there, like 80mil dead first nations folk? this sucks
- moistly 4y ago