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Wow, that's such an insane clickbait, 99% incorrect headline. I guess those RealTesla people dissing Cleantechnica were correct.
by tpmx 4y ago
Wow, that's such an insane clickbait, 99% incorrect headline. I guess those RealTesla people dissing Cleantechnica were correct.
- CharlesW 4y ago> Wow, that's such an insane clickbait, 99% incorrect headline. How so, since that's Bloomberg Businessweek quoting Mr. Hotz? https://archive.ph/ZnqFl https://archive.ph/ZnqFl
- ranguna 4y agoDid you read the article you linked? > “It’s a scam,” says George Hotz, whose company Comma.ai Inc. makes a driver-assistance system similar to Tesla Inc.’s Autopilot. “These companies have squandered tens of billions of dollars.” The companies are a scam, not the technology. By Hotz words.
- CharlesW 4y ago> Did you read the article you linked? Yes, that's why I asked. According to the CleanTechnica article, Mr. Hotz is specifically referring to "autonomous cars", not companies, being a scam. > George Hotz, the serial entrepreneur who founded self-driving startup Comma.ai, has this to say about autonomous cars: "It’s a scam". Going back to the original source I linked to above, "Even After $100 Billion, Self-Driving Cars Are Going Nowhere", still effectively says "self-driving cars are a scam", and Mr. Hotz's quote is still being used to support that thesis. So I think you're incorrect, but I also think the article's original author took Mr. Hotz's quote out of its original context, and then the interpretation was mangled further during syndication.
- ranguna 4y agoMakes sense
- quantified 4y agoI don't understand you. It's about George Hotz and the words George Hotz uses. How incorrect is it in terms of the George Hotz interview? Disagreeing with him and disagreeing with the article's reporting about what experts such as him are saying seem to be two different things. It starts as follows: > In a lengthy interview with Bloomberg News, republished by Autoblog, George Hotz, the serial entrepreneur who founded self-driving startup Comma.ai, has this to say about autonomous cars: “It’s a scam. These companies have squandered tens of billions of dollars.” Which is likely accurate reporting of what he said. Meanwhile, pouring money into something that doesn't work is par for the course in tech. Musk saying "it's almost ready" is a scam. So I disagree with half of George's statement there myself.
- ranguna 4y agoAre you being sarcastic, or...?
- quantified 4y agoThere's a lot of sarcasm running around here and it can be well-disguised. No, I wasn't. What's the wrong-but-right aspect that you thought might be sarcastic?
- ranguna 4y agoThis part: > has this to say about autonomous cars: “It’s a scam. These companies have squandered tens of billions of dollars.” Hotz says that companies have used lots of money, so to me it looks like he is referring to the companies and not the technology. But reading a bit more, it's all to vague and the writer of the article made it really difficult to understand what's really being said here. It can be interpreted multiple ways.
- quantified 4y agoOn the rest, the "bit more", I agree. Direct quotes in the piece are the only things that seem clear, and I was narrowly focused on that. Although I'm in the skeptic camp for self-driving readiness, all writing should be fair and clear about it. I'm surprised that power-assisted human control of stuff is so far behind, all we have is lane assist and stuff like that. You'd think we'd have haptic pothole anticipation or seats that cringe a little when someone roars up from behind by now.