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> In 2021, Illinois and Oregon became the first states to ban the use of deception during interrogations of minors ... Is there any other modern democracy that
by Archelaos 4y ago
> In 2021, Illinois and Oregon became the first states to ban the use of deception during interrogations of minors ...
Is there any other modern democracy that allows deception as a method of interrogation to the same extent as the US?
In my country, Germany, deception during interrogations is forbitten even for adults. There exist only some minor exceptions, for example, that prior wrong ideas of the suspects may be exploited.
The central paragraph of the law is as follows:
(1) The accused's freedom to decide and exercise his or her will may not be impaired by ill-treatment, by fatigue, by physical intervention, by the administration of drugs, by torment [Quälerei], by deception [Täuschung] or by hypnosis. Coercion may only be used to the extent permitted by the law of criminal procedure. The threat of a measure inadmissible under its provisions and the promise of an advantage not provided for by law shall be prohibited.
(2) Measures that impair the accused's capacity to remember or to reason shall not be permitted.
(3) The prohibition in sections 1 and 2 shall apply without regard to the consent of the accused. Statements made in violation of this prohibition may not be used even if the accused consents to their use.
§ 136a StPO -- German text at https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stpo/__136a.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stpo/__136a.html
- aikinai 4y agoNot that it makes it okay, but Japan also extensively uses deception in interrogations. Japan and America seem to be similar as highly-advanced, rule-of-law democracies with abhorrent criminal justice culture.
- david38 4y agoIf you anything about Japan you wouldn’t say this. Japan’s criminal justice system is so bad as to rival Central America, not the US.
- Retric 4y agoI think you misunderstood, abhorrent means disgusting, loathsome, terrible etc. So he’s saying Japan’s criminal justice system is unconscionable just like the US, not that they are equally bad.
- isitmadeofglass 4y agoYou seem to have misunderstood the comment you are replying to and the one it replied to. This is literally what was replied to: > Japan and America seem to be similar
- vthommeret 4y agoI think you're actually misunderstanding what david38 and Retric are discussing. They're saying they're in agreement and that the US and Central America are similar, but not "equally bad".
- vimacs2 4y agoI actually think you're all misunderstanding what you're discussing. No, I won't expand as to why, I just wanted to continue this alleged misunderstanding train.
- Retric 4y agoAll equilateral triangles are similar, they don’t all have the same magnitude.
- spoils19 4y ago
- mijoharas 4y agoIs this Poe's law[0] in action here? I'm struggling to believe that you're being serious. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
- Stevvo 4y agoIn the UK it's commonplace because it's a very effective tactic on victims and first time offenders. Anyone who has been arrested before learns to answer either "no" or "no comment" to all questions, so deception doesn't come into play anymore.
- kbelder 4y ago>... may not be impaired by ill-treatment, by fatigue, by physical intervention, by the administration of drugs, by torment [Quälerei], by deception [Täuschung] or by hypnosis. Has there ever been a documented case of a suspect hypnotised by law enforcement to (rightly or wrongly) confess? That would be an interesting story.