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> I didn't realise it would be the same across the UK. It has to be, that's the definition of a power grid. The relative phase can have minute variations and
by myself248 4y ago
> I didn't realise it would be the same across the UK.
It has to be, that's the definition of a power grid. The relative phase can have minute variations and you get massive power flows as a result, which result in the frequency across the whole grid being the same.
I believe the whole UK is a single grid. The US is divided into three: The eastern interconnect, the western interconnect, and Texas. (Insert meme here.) There are a few DC-links that allow power to flow between them, but due to the expense of rectifying and inverting all that power (necessary for the frequency and phase to vary), they are rare. It's much cheaper to connect directly at AC, even though this requires that everyone on the system run at the same frequency.
Amusingly, this also means that if you could (theoretically arrange enough long shafts and bearings and neglect the curvature of the earth and) orient all the generators on the grid in a line, a single shaft could run through all of them, and the shaft would not twist -- they all spin in precise synchrony since they are, effectively, a single machine.
When a new generator is brought on-line, it has to be phase-matched to the grid. These days there are probably fancy PLCs to handle it, but the simplest instrument is called a synchroscope, which is a motor driven by the phase relationship between two AC waves. You can find these on YouTube, they're pretty neat. Basically if the isolated generator is running slower than the grid, the synchroscope needle spins one way, and if it's running faster, the needle spins the other way. You adjust the throttle on the generator until it's running _ever so slightly_ faster, like 60.00Hz on the grid and 60.10Hz on the isolated generator, (50.xx in the UK) which will make the 'scope revolve once per ten seconds. Then you wait until the needle is pointing straight up which indicates zero phase shift, and slam the switches to connect it to the grid, and that's that!
If you did it just right, there's a minimal shudder and the generator now begins sending power into the grid, its frequency constrained to 60.00Hz and the extra throttle showing up as positive power flow. If you did it wrong, there's a tremendous amount of torque exerted on the rotating machinery by the grid power, which may simply force it into compliance, or in more extreme cases, may shred millions of dollars of equipment in an instant. Bigger synch setups have lockouts that won't even allow the button to be pressed unless the phase is _pretty close_. The most colossal kind of cockup is when someone wired the synchroscope wrong, so the rotation still works (it has to, that's impossible to screw up) but in-phase would be represented by some needle angle other than straight up. Joining the grid 120 degrees out would be a career-limiting event for someone.
- nayuki 4y ago> a single shaft could run through all of them, and the shaft would not twist I think this assumes that every AC generator has the same number of poles per revolution. > If you did it wrong, there's a tremendous amount of torque exerted on the rotating machinery by the grid power, which may simply force it into compliance, or in more extreme cases, may shred millions of dollars of equipment in an instant. Indeed. When I read news articles during the Texas blackout of 2021, the authorities were watching in horror the system frequency dropping and saying they had to shed load before the generators experienced permanent damage. It took me several days and reading Reddit comments to understand that the entire AC grid is one big synchronized machine, and if generators fall out of frequency or phase with each other, they will drive each other instead of the load, thus damaging the generators.
- myself248 4y ago> I think this assumes that every AC generator has the same number of poles per revolution. Oh yeah. An oversimplification, and one that need not exist (all the generators _could_ be wound with the same number of poles), and I think would've complicated the point beyond GP's level. But yes, you are right. > and if generators fall out of frequency or phase with each other, they will drive each other instead of the load, thus damaging the generators. That's one reason, another is that some of the prime movers simply can't exert full torque at significantly-wrong RPM. I'm not a turbine engineer but it's my understanding that even in a standalone situation with no grid at all, if you apply full power to a turbine and then slow the rotor to a stop, somewhere before you even reach a full stop, some of the blades will break, because they can only handle that gas pressure when moving and experiencing the rotating flows of a running machine. The point where that occurs depends on the engineering of each individual machine, but a highly-optimized design may have a tolerable operation range that is narrow indeed. (When a new unit is started up, it does so unloaded, so it only takes a relative whisper of fuel to get it moving. Only once synchronized and loaded do they really hit the gas.) In my mind this seems very similar to the back-EMF developed by a rotating motor, and the phenomenon of locked-rotor current burning out the windings when the shaft isn't allowed to turn at some appreciable fraction of rated RPM. Just the back-pressure is fluid rather than voltage. Any actual turbine engineers here?