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So let's be real for one sec. As an adult you will find a way to kill youself if this is the goal. We are hypothesing that people don't want to actually do it

by x86x87 4y ago

So let's be real for one sec. As an adult you will find a way to kill youself if this is the goal. We are hypothesing that people don't want to actually do it and that we are doing the a service from preventing it. This could be the case - but how many people decide to end their life on a whim? Re: recovering with help. That was one of the main things i had in mind. If the factors that lead you to suicide and/or drive you insane are not removed do you actually believe that stopping you from the final act is going to be effective? As a society we don't give 2 shits about people that are struggling. Money is our religion everything else is secondary :(

tsimionescu 4y ago
First of all, there are numerous studies that show that barriers to suicide are extraordinarily effective at preventing suicide - the vast majority of people who commit suicide do so on a whim, and things like barriers in subway stations or on top of tall buildings, foul smelling gas and others drastically reduce the overall number of suicides in large areas, not only in the specific places they guard. Secondly, in many studies of attempted suicides, the vast majority of people of people who survived one suicide attempt did not try again (even though the risk of further attempts is much higher with an initial attempt than in the general population, it is still quite low - around 13% in one 35-year long follow-up study). This doesn't even count the huge number of people that have suicidal thoughts and don't actually attempt suicide - at least sometimes because of barriers like those mentioned before, which prevent a suicidal thought from turning into a rash decision like jumping in from the of the train or off the building. In fact, for many people, this type of "near-miss" offered by such barriers is exactly what allows them to realize they need urgent help: they don't want to die, but had been ignoring similar thoughts as meer fancies, until such a moment when they realize that they would have actually done and may try again if they don't seek immediate help.
- x86x87 4y ago
  I don't have the number and I don't know how many people do so on a whim. Certain measures are working in certain situations (if there is physical barrier sure). My bigger point was that nobody decides to kill themselves for fun and what needs to happen is systematically helping people not knee jerk reactions like banning X or Y. I may be wrong

by x86x87 4y ago

tsimionescu 4y ago

First of all, there are numerous studies that show that barriers to suicide are extraordinarily effective at preventing suicide - the vast majority of people who commit suicide do so on a whim, and things like barriers in subway stations or on top of tall buildings, foul smelling gas and others drastically reduce the overall number of suicides in large areas, not only in the specific places they guard. Secondly, in many studies of attempted suicides, the vast majority of people of people who survived one suicide attempt did not try again (even though the risk of further attempts is much higher with an initial attempt than in the general population, it is still quite low - around 13% in one 35-year long follow-up study). This doesn't even count the huge number of people that have suicidal thoughts and don't actually attempt suicide - at least sometimes because of barriers like those mentioned before, which prevent a suicidal thought from turning into a rash decision like jumping in from the of the train or off the building. In fact, for many people, this type of "near-miss" offered by such barriers is exactly what allows them to realize they need urgent help: they don't want to die, but had been ignoring similar thoughts as meer fancies, until such a moment when they realize that they would have actually done and may try again if they don't seek immediate help.

x86x87 4y ago
I don't have the number and I don't know how many people do so on a whim. Certain measures are working in certain situations (if there is physical barrier sure). My bigger point was that nobody decides to kill themselves for fun and what needs to happen is systematically helping people not knee jerk reactions like banning X or Y. I may be wrong