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you are not arrested for any of these. you get arrested when you ask to lock up transgender people, when you suggest anti-vaxxers (or vaccination supporters) "

by froh 4y ago

you are not arrested for any of these. you get arrested when you ask to lock up transgender people, when you suggest anti-vaxxers (or vaccination supporters) "have a death wish", suggesting you'll look away if someone attacks them. you get arrested for shouting group XYZ "should die" §130StGB is about respect in political discourse. if you can't say it with respect shut the fuck up until you can. any and all examples in your comment have their position not only freely stated online, in Germany, but even on print media, at lengths.

luckylion 4y ago
> §130StGB is about respect in political discourse. Not it's not, it's about protecting minorities. You're free to say "Germans are a race of dogs" in response to parliament voting on recognizing the Turkish genocide against the Armenians, for example, because Germans are not a minority. You wouldn't be free to say "Turks are a race of dogs", that would be illegal.
- froh 4y ago
  no it's not about minorities. it's about groups. and it's not about plain insult (your example of "group XYZ are dogs") that's already covered elsewhere and it's prohibited in both directions. it's about inciting unrest against the peace of the land, specifically targetting some specific group of humans. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1368 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_st... so a better example would be ditib mosques to systematically suggest to their faithful to poorly service Germans and give them higher prices. or some German political party to suggest that our current problems are caused by "the Russians" and to suggest discriminating against kids off Russian expats is fine at school.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    > and it's not about plain insult (your example of "group XYZ are dogs") that's already covered elsewhere and it's prohibited in both directions. No, it's really not, we know this, because it's been tested. Look up Malik Karabulut who said exactly what I wrote (he was also insulting individual officials, but that's not what this is about). The DA did specifically say (and that wasn't a controversial decision outside of right-wing circles) it does _not_ apply to the majority.

by froh 4y ago

luckylion 4y ago

> §130StGB is about respect in political discourse. Not it's not, it's about protecting minorities. You're free to say "Germans are a race of dogs" in response to parliament voting on recognizing the Turkish genocide against the Armenians, for example, because Germans are not a minority. You wouldn't be free to say "Turks are a race of dogs", that would be illegal.

froh 4y ago
no it's not about minorities. it's about groups. and it's not about plain insult (your example of "group XYZ are dogs") that's already covered elsewhere and it's prohibited in both directions. it's about inciting unrest against the peace of the land, specifically targetting some specific group of humans. https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_stgb.html#p1368 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_stgb/englisch_st... so a better example would be ditib mosques to systematically suggest to their faithful to poorly service Germans and give them higher prices. or some German political party to suggest that our current problems are caused by "the Russians" and to suggest discriminating against kids off Russian expats is fine at school.
- luckylion 4y ago
  > and it's not about plain insult (your example of "group XYZ are dogs") that's already covered elsewhere and it's prohibited in both directions. No, it's really not, we know this, because it's been tested. Look up Malik Karabulut who said exactly what I wrote (he was also insulting individual officials, but that's not what this is about). The DA did specifically say (and that wasn't a controversial decision outside of right-wing circles) it does _not_ apply to the majority.