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It is amusing to see "trolling" casually used in the correct, modern sense in a BBC article. Doubly so given serious circumstances surrounding it use. Also I f

It is amusing to see "trolling" casually used in the correct, modern sense in a BBC article. Doubly so given serious circumstances surrounding it use. Also I find it hard to believe Russia destroyed the mysterious drone boat that washed up. Seems like a colossal waste if true. Edit: I also wonder if it is some kind of response to nord stream getting blown up, like "Just look at that, some of your infrastructure out at sea can mysteriously blow up too with no one claiming responsibility, funny isn't it?"

sixhobbits 4y ago
Interesting that they mention trolling without quoting or mentioning the Tweet[0] [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1578634825417650176 https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/157863482541765017...
svnpenn 4y ago
> It is amusing to see "trolling" casually used in the correct, modern sense in a BBC article. The "correct" definition hasn't changed: > carefully and systematically search an area for something. Not sure how you came to the idea that internet slang is anything other than internet slang.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Isn’t that ‘trawling’?
  - replygirl 4y ago
    trawling is a fishing technique
    - daemoncoder 4y ago
      So is trolling: one of the meanings is: fishing by trailing a baited line along behind a boat
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - wsinks 4y ago
    "trolling" is another accepted spelling of trawling :)
- andrewflnr 4y ago
  Even when they're trying to use it as Internet slang, mainstream media tend to use "trolling" as a synonym for just saying mean things.
- Symbiote 4y ago
  > carefully and systematically search an area for something. That is trawling, not trolling. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Etymology_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Etymology_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trawl#Verb https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trawl#Verb
- Satam 4y ago
  Language evolves. People have come to understand the difference between windows in a house, and windows in the context of a computer. I'm sure you understand this.
- wsinks 4y ago
  > "This is a concrete manifestation of the conflict between the FSB [Russia's internal intelligence service] / PMC [private military contractors, like the Wagner Group] on the one hand, and the Ministry of Defence / general staff of the Russian Federation on the other hand," he said. > Did Mr Podolyak know something everyone else didn't? Or was he, perhaps, trolling Moscow, playing on extremely raw nerves exposed by Russia's recent setbacks on the battlefield in Ukraine? The use of trolling here isn't to carefully a systematically search for an area of something. The use is much more akin to the internet's version of the word, which has the meaning of 'saying something meant to bring an extreme response from another targeted party'. If there was a mention of investigators trolling the area for evidence of bomb vehicles, I'm with you, even though that feels like an uncommon usage in a BBC article. But this does feel different to me.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  The internet slang variant is in dictionaries now so the usage is correct! And modern, seeing as it was added post-internet era. The amusement comes purely from seeing it in the BBC, an institution known for their formal English who at one point standardized the accents of their presenters.
bagels 4y ago
It seems like a completely valid military target regardless of nordstream. It'd certainly be in Ukraine's interest in blowing up the rest of the rail and road connections to Russia, I'm guessing trade relations will be pretty strained for some time.
- rgbrenner 4y ago
  This bridge was completed in 2018, and has only carried freight trains since 2020. So Ukraine has never used this bridge.. it was only built to tie Crimea closer to Russia after its annexation.
  - bagels 4y ago
    Right, I think regardless of who/when it was built, it is in Ukraine's interest to disrupt supplies and troop movements. Unfed troops are not going to really be motivated to defend territories.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  It absolutely is. I just find the timing interesting since it happened soon after. Its not like the bridge just became an available target, its been there the whole time. Still, those responsible may not have been able to pull it off until now so it's probably just a coincidence.
  - n4r9 4y ago
    The other interesting timing is the recent Russian conscription drive. This explosion disrupts one of the primary routes for getting troops and supplies across the border.
  - sam_lowry_ 4y ago
    It happened in the early morning after Putin's birthday. It was clearly a birthday present.
HKH2 4y ago
> Edit: I also wonder if it is some kind of response to nord stream getting blown up, like "Just look at that, some of your infrastructure out at sea can mysteriously blow up too with no one claiming responsibility, funny isn't it?" Do you seriously think Russia blew up a pipeline that it had complete control over? Why would Russia give up leverage like that?

sixhobbits 4y ago

Interesting that they mention trolling without quoting or mentioning the Tweet[0] [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1578634825417650176 https://mobile.twitter.com/Ukraine/status/157863482541765017...

svnpenn 4y ago

> It is amusing to see "trolling" casually used in the correct, modern sense in a BBC article. The "correct" definition hasn't changed: > carefully and systematically search an area for something. Not sure how you came to the idea that internet slang is anything other than internet slang.

selimthegrim 4y ago
Isn’t that ‘trawling’?
- replygirl 4y ago
  trawling is a fishing technique
  - daemoncoder 4y ago
    So is trolling: one of the meanings is: fishing by trailing a baited line along behind a boat
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- wsinks 4y ago
  "trolling" is another accepted spelling of trawling :)
andrewflnr 4y ago
Even when they're trying to use it as Internet slang, mainstream media tend to use "trolling" as a synonym for just saying mean things.
Symbiote 4y ago
> carefully and systematically search an area for something. That is trawling, not trolling. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Etymology_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll#Etymology_2 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trawl#Verb https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trawl#Verb
Satam 4y ago
Language evolves. People have come to understand the difference between windows in a house, and windows in the context of a computer. I'm sure you understand this.
wsinks 4y ago
> "This is a concrete manifestation of the conflict between the FSB [Russia's internal intelligence service] / PMC [private military contractors, like the Wagner Group] on the one hand, and the Ministry of Defence / general staff of the Russian Federation on the other hand," he said. > Did Mr Podolyak know something everyone else didn't? Or was he, perhaps, trolling Moscow, playing on extremely raw nerves exposed by Russia's recent setbacks on the battlefield in Ukraine? The use of trolling here isn't to carefully a systematically search for an area of something. The use is much more akin to the internet's version of the word, which has the meaning of 'saying something meant to bring an extreme response from another targeted party'. If there was a mention of investigators trolling the area for evidence of bomb vehicles, I'm with you, even though that feels like an uncommon usage in a BBC article. But this does feel different to me.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
The internet slang variant is in dictionaries now so the usage is correct! And modern, seeing as it was added post-internet era. The amusement comes purely from seeing it in the BBC, an institution known for their formal English who at one point standardized the accents of their presenters.

bagels 4y ago

It seems like a completely valid military target regardless of nordstream. It'd certainly be in Ukraine's interest in blowing up the rest of the rail and road connections to Russia, I'm guessing trade relations will be pretty strained for some time.

rgbrenner 4y ago
This bridge was completed in 2018, and has only carried freight trains since 2020. So Ukraine has never used this bridge.. it was only built to tie Crimea closer to Russia after its annexation.
- bagels 4y ago
  Right, I think regardless of who/when it was built, it is in Ukraine's interest to disrupt supplies and troop movements. Unfed troops are not going to really be motivated to defend territories.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
It absolutely is. I just find the timing interesting since it happened soon after. Its not like the bridge just became an available target, its been there the whole time. Still, those responsible may not have been able to pull it off until now so it's probably just a coincidence.
- n4r9 4y ago
  The other interesting timing is the recent Russian conscription drive. This explosion disrupts one of the primary routes for getting troops and supplies across the border.
- sam_lowry_ 4y ago
  It happened in the early morning after Putin's birthday. It was clearly a birthday present.

HKH2 4y ago

> Edit: I also wonder if it is some kind of response to nord stream getting blown up, like "Just look at that, some of your infrastructure out at sea can mysteriously blow up too with no one claiming responsibility, funny isn't it?" Do you seriously think Russia blew up a pipeline that it had complete control over? Why would Russia give up leverage like that?