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> I don't even know what I would do if the government "confiscated" my devices. You do something (full disk encryption) before the government confiscates your

> I don't even know what I would do if the government "confiscated" my devices. You do something (full disk encryption) before the government confiscates your devices.

blisterpeanuts 4y ago
Aren’t iPhones already fully encrypted? Or is that something you have to specially enable?
- standardUser 4y ago
  All newer MacBooks and Apple and Android phones should come encrypted by default. Not sure about other devices.
Nebasuke 4y ago
Maybe if you live in the US (and quite a few other countries), but if you live in the UK, you can get a prison sentence just for not disclosing your encryption keys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_King...
- DeWilde 4y ago
  Would the defense of "I just changed my password and don't remember it" work?
  - helge9210 4y ago
    Yes. You'll stay in jail until you remember it. /s UK doesn't have a concept of presumption of innocence. So guilty until proved otherwise
strken 4y ago
They're still taking all your 2FA devices away. Getting back into your Gmail account when you don't have any devices signed in, you've lost your TOTP, and the cops have your SIM card is a pain. If you've got anything that's only stored locally, well, sucks to be you.
standardUser 4y ago
I guess it comes down to how badly the government wants to access the data. Unless they happen to confiscate a device while it's unlocked.
BowBun 4y ago
I'm currently of the belief that this doesn't stop them, or they wouldn't so happily image your devices and send you on your way at US borders. Considering we didn't know governments were using and abusing Cellebrite until recently, and didn't know about the 0-days they hoard until recently, I'm going to assume they can decrypt phones/disks until proven otherwise. The government has a _lot_ of resources.
- fwn 4y ago
  I think it's a good idea to assume that everything might be compromised. This should not stop anyone from working towards encrypting everything. Even if it can be decrypted or avoided it still increases the overall resources needed for surveillance. The actual solution, long term, needs to be a social one. As a society we need to realize the sensitive nature of those devices and find reasonable boundaries for law enforcement.

> I don't even know what I would do if the government "confiscated" my devices. You do something (full disk encryption) before the government confiscates your devices.

blisterpeanuts 4y ago

Aren’t iPhones already fully encrypted? Or is that something you have to specially enable?

standardUser 4y ago
All newer MacBooks and Apple and Android phones should come encrypted by default. Not sure about other devices.

Nebasuke 4y ago

Maybe if you live in the US (and quite a few other countries), but if you live in the UK, you can get a prison sentence just for not disclosing your encryption keys: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#United_King...

DeWilde 4y ago
Would the defense of "I just changed my password and don't remember it" work?
- helge9210 4y ago
  Yes. You'll stay in jail until you remember it. /s UK doesn't have a concept of presumption of innocence. So guilty until proved otherwise

strken 4y ago

They're still taking all your 2FA devices away. Getting back into your Gmail account when you don't have any devices signed in, you've lost your TOTP, and the cops have your SIM card is a pain. If you've got anything that's only stored locally, well, sucks to be you.

standardUser 4y ago

I guess it comes down to how badly the government wants to access the data. Unless they happen to confiscate a device while it's unlocked.

BowBun 4y ago

I'm currently of the belief that this doesn't stop them, or they wouldn't so happily image your devices and send you on your way at US borders. Considering we didn't know governments were using and abusing Cellebrite until recently, and didn't know about the 0-days they hoard until recently, I'm going to assume they can decrypt phones/disks until proven otherwise. The government has a _lot_ of resources.

fwn 4y ago
I think it's a good idea to assume that everything might be compromised. This should not stop anyone from working towards encrypting everything. Even if it can be decrypted or avoided it still increases the overall resources needed for surveillance. The actual solution, long term, needs to be a social one. As a society we need to realize the sensitive nature of those devices and find reasonable boundaries for law enforcement.