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> The reality is rather "can we get enough data so we can manipulate you better in order to make more money?", "can we create a knowledge graph powerful enough

> The reality is rather "can we get enough data so we can manipulate you better in order to make more money?", "can we create a knowledge graph powerful enough to kill all our competition and influence democracy in our favor?" and "can we follow you everywhere to prey on you once we know enough to find a way in your life?" Sometimes people just want to know which buttons users click because, yes, (gasp) it helps their business (the one that is employing people). > I mean, you just stated that tons of people are ready to accept obnoxious interruptions in the form of ads that benefit corporations, There aren't any fewer ads. We now have the same amount of ads + 3 privacy popups on every page you visit. I don't want any popups. EU regulation / the GDPR is clearly to blame for the popup. Supporters have to take responsibility for the internet experience they have wrought. Complaining about "bad actors" is an excuse. This is our reality today. It's because of these rules. Own it up.

Nextgrid 4y ago
In the vast majority of cases I reject analytics and telemetry not because I don't want the company knowing which buttons perform better, it's because I don't want some third-party scum like Google Analytics to know that. Analytics can be done in a privacy-friendly way, but the vast majority of them aren't, and as a user there's no way to know whether that's the case, so the default "safe" option is to reject. Also, it's not the GDPR that's to blame for the popups, it's the non-enforcement of it. GDPR explicitly outlaws annoying consent flows - here's the guidelines one of the regulators suggests, which 90% of implementations out there don't comply with: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/lawful-basis-for-processing/consent/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio....
- miracle2k 4y ago
  > Also, it's not the GDPR that's to blame for the popups, it's the non-enforcement of it. A distinction without a difference. This is the result of the law. If you think this can be improved by better enforcement, maybe the EU should give this a try. But this comes in a package. You can't pass a law and then say, "sure we ruined the internet, but its just because the law is scary enough that companies add terrible popups, but not scary enough to make them actually compliant. Also, to be clear, I personally don't care about dark patterns in those consent popups. I click whatever is the biggest button (like lots of people), the one that hopefully gets me the quickest to the content I want to see. The popup itself is the annoying thing. Because it appears on every. single. link you click.

Nextgrid 4y ago

In the vast majority of cases I reject analytics and telemetry not because I don't want the company knowing which buttons perform better, it's because I don't want some third-party scum like Google Analytics to know that. Analytics can be done in a privacy-friendly way, but the vast majority of them aren't, and as a user there's no way to know whether that's the case, so the default "safe" option is to reject. Also, it's not the GDPR that's to blame for the popups, it's the non-enforcement of it. GDPR explicitly outlaws annoying consent flows - here's the guidelines one of the regulators suggests, which 90% of implementations out there don't comply with: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/lawful-basis-for-processing/consent/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protectio....

miracle2k 4y ago
> Also, it's not the GDPR that's to blame for the popups, it's the non-enforcement of it. A distinction without a difference. This is the result of the law. If you think this can be improved by better enforcement, maybe the EU should give this a try. But this comes in a package. You can't pass a law and then say, "sure we ruined the internet, but its just because the law is scary enough that companies add terrible popups, but not scary enough to make them actually compliant. Also, to be clear, I personally don't care about dark patterns in those consent popups. I click whatever is the biggest button (like lots of people), the one that hopefully gets me the quickest to the content I want to see. The popup itself is the annoying thing. Because it appears on every. single. link you click.