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> There are, but they are vastly outnumbered by the non-rational ones. Good luck backing that one up. > This is often easily distinguishable, as people who st

> There are, but they are vastly outnumbered by the non-rational ones. Good luck backing that one up. > This is often easily distinguishable, as people who start having thoughts of suicide are often terrified of actually following through just moments later. I this is a terrible criterion because even if you've made the right decision death is still incredibly scary and so is dying (which can go wrong, especially when efficient methods are witheld.) Your overall point sounds good superficially but I don't see why you think its within your rights to be a gatekeeper for me though. It's none of your business, __at all__. You can want to help all you want, but forcing your "help" on others isn't within your rights.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Again, speak to some actual people or organizations who are or work with the mentally ill. > Good luck backing that one up. Here[0] is a study that followed 98 people for 35 years after an original attempt at suicide, and found that 13% of them eventually died by suicide, some up to 15 years later. I would say that clearly shows that the vast majority of people who attempted suicide (87%) did not intend to die. > Your overall point sounds good superficially but I don't see why you think its within your rights to be a gatekeeper for me though. It's none of your business, __at all__. You can want to help all you want, but forcing your "help" on others isn't within your rights. You're again missing a fundamental aspect of mental illness: that many people who have a mental witness need an advocate to help keep them safe from themselves. Not just for suicide, but also self harm, extreme risk-taking behavior, substance abuse and others. You don't just let late stage Alzheimer's patients wander outside: even though freedom of movement is a fundamental human right, they don't know where and why they are going and can easily harm themselves in the process. [0] https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.3.562 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.1...

tsimionescu 4y ago

Again, speak to some actual people or organizations who are or work with the mentally ill. > Good luck backing that one up. Here[0] is a study that followed 98 people for 35 years after an original attempt at suicide, and found that 13% of them eventually died by suicide, some up to 15 years later. I would say that clearly shows that the vast majority of people who attempted suicide (87%) did not intend to die. > Your overall point sounds good superficially but I don't see why you think its within your rights to be a gatekeeper for me though. It's none of your business, __at all__. You can want to help all you want, but forcing your "help" on others isn't within your rights. You're again missing a fundamental aspect of mental illness: that many people who have a mental witness need an advocate to help keep them safe from themselves. Not just for suicide, but also self harm, extreme risk-taking behavior, substance abuse and others. You don't just let late stage Alzheimer's patients wander outside: even though freedom of movement is a fundamental human right, they don't know where and why they are going and can easily harm themselves in the process. [0] https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.3.562 https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.1...