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Why do you think it's virtue signaling? You never explained why. You also make the claim that in the last three years the amount of liter has increased , do yo

Why do you think it's virtue signaling? You never explained why. You also make the claim that in the last three years the amount of liter has increased , do you have evidence of this?

JKCalhoun 4y ago
I disagree that it is "virtual signaling" (such an overused term) but I suspect the person you are responding to believe that the state California needs to force Amazon to accept lithium battery returns, the state needs to provide recycling centers that will refund can and bottle deposits and the state needs to clean up the freeways? My problem with the argument is that it appears if a state is not doing everything then it is clearly "virtual signaling".
- YeBanKo 4y ago
  The state cannot do everything, this is exactly right. So they have to focus on things with a high impact or long term measures. Limited capacity requires prioritization. If good PR is a priority, then it is virtue signaling.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Define virtue signaling
YeBanKo 4y ago
> Why do you think it’s virtue signaling. First, because I don’t think that it will affect recycling or environment in a meaningful way. Legislature can produce only a limited number of outcomes, so if this was passed, means something else wasn’t. Legislature maybe have unknown number of unintended consequences and there is also a burden of enforcing it. > …, do you have evidence of this? I don’t, beyond personal observation. How would track the amount of garbage along a highway? I am specifically talking about 101, 280, 880, 580 in the bay area. Every time I am driving I am thinking about putting a camera facing the shoulder and then trying analyze it with cv. I also don’t have evidence I can present that it then ends up in the ocean. My observation is that after windy and rainy days, especially in November, you can see a lot more household trash on the beach along the Pacific coast. I assume the Bay may have the same issue, but I don’t go there often to notice.
- zackees 4y ago
- themitigating 4y ago
  You're misusing the term "virtue signaling:, an already ridiculously dumb term. If they are making changes they believe will help the environment it's not virtue signaling, even if you don't think it will. More so that you don't offer any evidence to the contrary. I wonder about right wing people and "virtue signaling". Is it that they don't care about the environment or animals,or maybe are just generally selfish, that it's difficult for them to imagine that others might just want to do the right thing without benefitting from it? As for your inconsistent personal observations that solely relies on memory- they have no value
  - YeBanKo 4y ago
    If my personal observation has no value, than neither does your opinion and your comment.
    - themitigating 4y ago
      Your anecdotal evidence is different from my opinion on it. If I review a movie and say it's bad would you say "if the movie is bad then your opinion is bad?" You shouldn't make accusations without evidence and you shouldn't use anecdotal evidence as the sole backing for a claim.

Why do you think it's virtue signaling? You never explained why. You also make the claim that in the last three years the amount of liter has increased , do you have evidence of this?

JKCalhoun 4y ago

I disagree that it is "virtual signaling" (such an overused term) but I suspect the person you are responding to believe that the state California needs to force Amazon to accept lithium battery returns, the state needs to provide recycling centers that will refund can and bottle deposits and the state needs to clean up the freeways? My problem with the argument is that it appears if a state is not doing everything then it is clearly "virtual signaling".

YeBanKo 4y ago
The state cannot do everything, this is exactly right. So they have to focus on things with a high impact or long term measures. Limited capacity requires prioritization. If good PR is a priority, then it is virtue signaling.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Define virtue signaling

YeBanKo 4y ago

> Why do you think it’s virtue signaling. First, because I don’t think that it will affect recycling or environment in a meaningful way. Legislature can produce only a limited number of outcomes, so if this was passed, means something else wasn’t. Legislature maybe have unknown number of unintended consequences and there is also a burden of enforcing it. > …, do you have evidence of this? I don’t, beyond personal observation. How would track the amount of garbage along a highway? I am specifically talking about 101, 280, 880, 580 in the bay area. Every time I am driving I am thinking about putting a camera facing the shoulder and then trying analyze it with cv. I also don’t have evidence I can present that it then ends up in the ocean. My observation is that after windy and rainy days, especially in November, you can see a lot more household trash on the beach along the Pacific coast. I assume the Bay may have the same issue, but I don’t go there often to notice.

zackees 4y ago
themitigating 4y ago
You're misusing the term "virtue signaling:, an already ridiculously dumb term. If they are making changes they believe will help the environment it's not virtue signaling, even if you don't think it will. More so that you don't offer any evidence to the contrary. I wonder about right wing people and "virtue signaling". Is it that they don't care about the environment or animals,or maybe are just generally selfish, that it's difficult for them to imagine that others might just want to do the right thing without benefitting from it? As for your inconsistent personal observations that solely relies on memory- they have no value
- YeBanKo 4y ago
  If my personal observation has no value, than neither does your opinion and your comment.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    Your anecdotal evidence is different from my opinion on it. If I review a movie and say it's bad would you say "if the movie is bad then your opinion is bad?" You shouldn't make accusations without evidence and you shouldn't use anecdotal evidence as the sole backing for a claim.